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JJP 03-20-2014 11:39 AM

The biggest story here is definitely the buzzer allegations re: Santana. I would not be surprised if the Asmussen/Santana combo is a little cold for the next week or two at Oaklawn.

Sightseek 03-20-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 970187)
I think its going to be very hard for someone who may want to get into the sport watch that video and then if they were to read your statements and have to understand that this is just normal operating procedure.

You could pretty much create a video like this for all equestrian sport.

10 pnt move up 03-20-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 970216)
You could pretty much create a video like this for all equestrian sport.

that is sad.

Sightseek 03-20-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 970199)
It doesn't hurt to wade into comment threads on other boards and dispel misinformation, I find. As long as you can keep your temper and limit your response to correcting to the specific error the person is stating. As a racing fan, I found the Lasix threads here very, very helpful and they really did reshape my opinion on it.

Unfortunately, it's easy for people to condemn something they have no interest in. They'll scream about undocumented workers on the backstretch, but not a word about undocumented workers harvesting the food they eat. Because they don't want to pay more for their produce. They'll scream about cruel and inhumane treatment for race horses, but not a word on far more barbaric conditions at factory farms for pigs, chickens and cows. Because they like to eat pigs, chickens and cows, want to eat it a lot and don't want it to cost very much money. But horse racing? Oh, that's easy to scream about, because nothing in their lives would change if it were gone. Sigh.

:tro:

dellinger63 03-20-2014 12:38 PM

PETA should go undercover for the same amount of time with a small time vet treating trail and private pleasure/pasture horses and see what ails some and how these animals suffer due to a lack of care/attention.

Ever see a horse with unclipped/neglected hooves? Starving because their mouths are too sore to eat because of unfiled teeth? It's nauseating and is deserving of a violent response.

Danzig 03-20-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 970218)
that is sad.

no, but it's true. you could selectively edit anything. you could make mother theresa out to be a monster if you wanted to. or find someone who has no idea about something, and get them to think the worst.

if you knew nothing about racing, and i said riders carry crops and hit horses with them, would you understand why? or would you just take it to mean riders hit horses for no good reason?

TouchOfGrey 03-20-2014 01:10 PM

New York State Gaming Commission Launches Investigation Into Allegations Of Abuse And Mistreatment Of Race Horses By Trainer Steve Asmussen, Assistant Trainer Scott Blasi And Other Licensed Individuals

NY Gaming Commission Press Release

Danzig 03-20-2014 01:16 PM

now...why am i suddenly thinking of the big to do and investigation at old friends? the one that turned up nothing, but cost a great foundation a lot of money.

Merlinsky 03-20-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970236)
now...why am i suddenly thinking of the big to do and investigation at old friends? the one that turned up nothing, but cost a great foundation a lot of money.

Are you thinking of TRF? There was the big investigation with NY Times BS where TRF was vindicated.

I really think that undercover investigation of PETA idea has merit. Not looking forward to the Belmont this year when we all know there'll be some sort of PETA drama that the governor will swallow hook, line, and sinker. Another detention barn they decide on at the last minute, perhaps?

Danzig 03-20-2014 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 970246)
Are you thinking of TRF? There was the big investigation with NY Times BS where TRF was vindicated.

I really think that undercover investigation of PETA idea has merit. Not looking forward to the Belmont this year when we all know there'll be some sort of PETA drama that the governor will swallow hook, line, and sinker. Another detention barn they decide on at the last minute, perhaps?

yeah, that is it.

the main thing i took away from the video is zayat probably won't send any more horses to a trainer whose assistant calls him the dreaded 'c' word.

freddymo 03-20-2014 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970236)
now...why am i suddenly thinking of the big to do and investigation at old friends? the one that turned up nothing, but cost a great foundation a lot of money.

Not apples to apples

Revidere 03-20-2014 03:19 PM

found it interesting Angel Cordero's face was not blurred out at dinner when Blasi was talking about horses not making it to the track and dying.

GenuineRisk 03-20-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 970203)
Hmmm, was Riot the vet that stated Lasix is a performance enhancer and that a lot of horses don't need it?

No, in fact she argued just the opposite on these boards.

cmorioles 03-20-2014 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 970262)
No, in fact she argued just the opposite on these boards.

Yeah, that was sarcasm. I argued the opposite. At least one prominent vet agrees with me.

my miss storm cat 03-20-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 970204)
The sport doesn't police itself very well. Since it isn't proactive, something like this was always going to happen. I'm no PETA fan, not by a longshot. But I also know there is some truth in that video. I didn't need to see the video to know it either.

There have always been some bad guys in racing. There will always be bad guys in racing. But racing can't keep letting them be bad guys and get away with it.

:tro:

GenuineRisk 03-20-2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 970263)
Yeah, that was sarcasm. I argued the opposite. At least one prominent vet agrees with me.

My apologies. I think all my anger at the carriage horse craziness (holy heck, who knew so much bias against the Irish still existed?) has broken my sarcasm detector.

I did notice that somewhere between the PETA video and at least one news article about it, that "In Europe Lasix is illegal.... on race days" became "In Europe Lasix is illegal." Ladies and gentlemen, the American media at its finest.

Kasept 03-20-2014 05:17 PM

Steve Crist Column

PETA’s charges

The racing world awoke Thursday to a huge and ugly mess in the form of charges of animal cruelty and labor violations by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, accompanied by hidden-camera video taken last year by a PETA investigator posing as an employee of the Steve Asmussen stable. It was typically dishonest, sensationalized propaganda from PETA, but was given a veneer of credibility by being leaked to and endorsed by The New York Times, which first reported the story after being given exclusive access to the material.

Nobody expects PETA to be fair or accurate, but the Times is supposed to be better than that and never would have run the story on its own without observing the basic tenets of journalism its readers expect and deserve – putting the taped remarks in context, investigating the assertions or going to the targeted parties for their reaction and explanation. Instead, it avoided any of those basic obligations with a one-sided “scoop” on a third party’s uninformed and unanswered allegations.

This one isn’t going away quickly. The video, however unfair, is sickening in its coarseness and callousness. Racing’s supposed leaders and spokesmen need to formulate a swift and strong response, exposing the more ludicrous insinuations and addressing those with any merit.

The Devil 03-20-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 970170)
Does that change this story?

Have you ever been around these amazing animals, give them a bath or pick there feet, and clean there sh*t out of there stalls, and been around a shedrow, if not you sure do know it all

cmorioles 03-20-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Devil (Post 970293)
Have you ever been around these amazing animals, give them a bath or pick there feet, and clean there sh*t out of there stalls, and been around a shedrow, if not you sure do know it all

Yes, I have. What's your point?

GenuineRisk 03-20-2014 08:23 PM

On the lighter side, I laughed at Mike Joyce's tweet:"Asmussen?!?! PETA couldn't investigate Sherriffs? Better headline: 'TIAGO DRINKS FIJI WATER; EBLOUISSANTE NEVER FORCED TO DO ANYTHING, EVER.'"

OldDog 03-21-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 970278)
Steve Crist Column
Nobody expects PETA to be fair or accurate, but the Times is supposed to be better than that and never would have run the story on its own without observing the basic tenets of journalism its readers expect and deserve

NYT: influential? Yes. Credible? No, not for many years now.

GenuineRisk 03-21-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 970306)
NYT: influential? Yes. Credible? No, not for many years now.

True 'dat. See: Miller, Judith.

Not to mention any paper dumb enough to give Ross Douthat a column is immediately suspect.

dagolfer33 03-21-2014 08:49 AM

This thing was part of the CBS world news roundup on my ride in to work this morning.:zz:

Alydar 03-21-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 970171)
What is the story exactly? That horses get Lasix when they train? That horses can have bad feet that need constant attention? That horses colic and die? That undocumented workers are employed on the backstretch? Fold in the sensationalized video.. It's news that owners want to win at Saratoga? That barns are happy to lose underachievers to claims? That outfits utilize various supplements in feeding regimens? That treatment options include pin firing and shockwave therapy? What elements of the 'story' were revelations to you?

I am surprised that you do not see this for what it is, terrible publicity for a sport that struggles to get any notice at all. How we as fans see this report is very different from how the public at large will. Just look at dog racing that could be our future if this industry does not get its act together.

It has been said over and over, but it seems that any coordination or cooperation in this industry an unattainable goal.

We will see what type of attention this gets. But it should be a wake up call.

Thoroughbred Fan 03-21-2014 09:32 AM

Where's Chuck's two cents?

Arletta 03-21-2014 09:35 AM

Zayat scratches horses running this weekend.

Per Bloodhorse: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ses?source=rss

NTamm1215 03-21-2014 09:55 AM

I don't know what's harder to believe, whether the woman in question actually worked for PETA or whether Ahmed Zayat just learned Nehro had bad feet.

Kasept 03-21-2014 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alydar (Post 970315)
I am surprised that you do not see this for what it is, terrible publicity for a sport that struggles to get any notice at all. How we as fans see this report is very different from how the public at large will. Just look at dog racing that could be our future if this industry does not get its act together.

It has been said over and over, but it seems that any coordination or cooperation in this industry an unattainable goal.

We will see what type of attention this gets. But it should be a wake up call.

No, no.. I see that, of course. A separate topic to the sensationalized and selective nuts and bolts.

10 pnt move up 03-21-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 970320)
I don't know what's harder to believe, whether the woman in question actually worked for PETA or whether Ahmed Zayat just learned Nehro had bad feet.

I thought that was pretty funny myself.

Reminds me of another story of a guy who used to have horses with Baffert and after one of them died he learned for the first time there was an issue for a long period of time.

pmayjr 03-21-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 970320)
I don't know what's harder to believe, whether the woman in question actually worked for PETA or whether Ahmed Zayat just learned Nehro had bad feet.

I wonder if it actually was a woman who was undercover? I mean I know the vid had a silhouette of a woman with her voice distorted, but what if she was reading a script of accounts from a guy that actually worked under them? So the guy wouldn't be exposed I mean?

declansharbor 03-21-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 970332)
I wonder if it actually was a woman who was undercover? I mean I know the vid had a silhouette of a woman with her voice distorted, but what if she was reading a script of accounts from a guy that actually worked under them? So the guy wouldn't be exposed I mean?

"What if c-a-t really spelled dog?" - Ogre

my miss storm cat 03-21-2014 11:52 AM

Statement about 2014 Hall of Fame nominations

National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame statement about 2014 Hall of Fame nominations


Statement from the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame: Based on pending investigations by the New York State Gaming Commission and the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission into allegations made by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and reported by various media outlets, the National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame has decided it is in the best interests of the institution and the sport of thoroughbred racing in general to table the 2014 Hall of Fame nomination of trainer Steve Asmussen.


http://www.racingmuseum.org/news/news.asp?varID=365

Arletta 03-21-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 970332)
I wonder if it actually was a woman who was undercover? I mean I know the vid had a silhouette of a woman with her voice distorted, but what if she was reading a script of accounts from a guy that actually worked under them? So the guy wouldn't be exposed I mean?

No sure if it's true, but I read somewhere that it was Scott's ex girlfriend.

Rudeboyelvis 03-21-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 970335)
"What if c-a-t really spelled dog?" - Ogre

:D

10 pnt move up 03-21-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 970337)
No sure if it's true, but I read somewhere that it was Scott's ex girlfriend.

Wow thats really taking your undercover to the extreme.

Left Bank 03-21-2014 02:00 PM

Did they state in the video that 24 horses die PER WEEK at racetracks?? That would mean 1248 horses die a year at the racetrack, which I find very hard to believe. And I don't think Blasi will have a good time at the track anymore with the attitude he presented. I don't think this is good news for anybody.

ADJMK 03-22-2014 12:09 AM

What I can't figure is what's with the clandestine video other that to make it look like an expose for the media. You can walk around the backstretch at any race track and see what was being "exposed" here. Vets injecting joints, cryoing splints, lasix shots all normal procedures that go on every day.
Racing is a business and unfortunately most horses need work to keep them on the track. Would PETA prefer the horse stay sore or lame? I am sure what they really would like is to have the tracks close all together.
Trainers swear around the barns? Thats big news. Bosses who treat their staff like crap and take advantage of them? Yup the backstretch is the only place that ever happens.
Unfortunately main street media eats up crap like this and gives it far too much exposure.

pmayjr 03-22-2014 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 970335)
"What if c-a-t really spelled dog?" - Ogre

what if Declansharbor was really spelled d-o-u-c-h-e-b-a-g? Oh... wait... I think it might be...

Im just saying, if they (people associated with Asmussen) were trying to pinpoint who did all this stuff, it might be in the undercover person's best interest to chnge up everything including gender. Plenty of you guys keep posting about PETA putting a spin on this to get the reaction they want. Who's to say they didn't change up the undercover person's identity too?

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 970337)
No sure if it's true, but I read somewhere that it was Scott's ex girlfriend.

or this... If that's true, "hell hath no fury..."

Rudeboyelvis 03-22-2014 08:11 AM

A salient, lucid, and level-headed reaction to the video from Maggi Moss in the Courier Journal:
http://blogs.courier-journal.com/rac...time-employer/

Kasept 03-22-2014 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 970377)
A salient, lucid, and level-headed reaction to the video from Maggi Moss in the Courier Journal:
http://blogs.courier-journal.com/rac...time-employer/

And as well from Winchell's David Fiske, inside Jennie Rees blog item:

David Fiske, racing manager for Winchell Thoroughbreds, told me Thursday that he and owner Ron Winchell had read the story and seen the video but otherwise had no comment. The Winchell family has had a connection to the Asmussen family for decades, including Steve training current Kentucky Derby contender Tapiture and major Oaks contender Untapable.

Daily Racing Form on Friday quoted Fiske as saying no decision had been made whether those horses would remain with Asmussen.

“We’ll assess the situation, do what’s best for us; not entirely sure what that is at the moment,” Fiske said. “The video and the story don’t reflect the experiences we’ve had with Steve and Scott over the last 20 years that we’ve had horses with them.”

On Thursday, I went frame by frame through the video — designed to shock, including with all of Blasi’s profanities and vulgarities — with prominent Kentucky veterinarian Rick Fischer to get an equine practitioner’s view of what we really are seeing. Fischer, who has never worked for Asmussen but is well-acquainted with his veterinarians, cited a long list of distortions and inaccuracies in the video, concluding, “It’s so biased, it’s beyond belief anybody can watch this and believe this is the way things really are.”


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