Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 877239)

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877430)

Do they not realize that the dead person or a cat would actually have to go and register to vote , following all the states current voter registration laws, and then actually vote in an election, for it to be voter fraud? That simply sending out mailers is ... spam mailing?

Cats simply can't use those Diebold machines. No opposable thumbs.

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 877656)

If you don't know enough to get an I.D. you may be a little on the stupid side and shouldn't be voting anyway..

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877774)

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877774)

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877778)

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877799)

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test".

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877806)

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.



Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do? :eek:



:zz: Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877824)

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877826)

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877824)

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877830) Being a citizen of the United States is a privilege and the rights that go along with it should be treated the same way.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 877833)

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877834)

If you are unhappy with our current Constitution, especially the most fundamental right that founded this country, and you wish to overthrow our Constitution and replace it with a plutocracy or meritocracy, I'm not buying.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877843)

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 877833)

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877849)

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.



You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877843)

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 877850)

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 877862)

i'm betting the average jersey shore viewer doesn't know there's an election, much less actually vote.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877854)

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877770)

Historically interesting to see you literally repeat a Jim Crow era anti-black sentiment about voters.

You do realize that we American citizens don't have to possess a certain IQ, or color of skin, or job, or social status, or income level, in order to vote. Right?

"Too stupid to vote" ... so you're against the Constitution? You think you are better than 90-year-old white rural American citizens who don't have birth certificates? Here's a good quote for that opinion you hold: "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force."...Thomas Jefferson.

BTW: Republicans, who were so proud of ALEC's voter ID law agenda because, as they've publicly said, they think it will disenfranchise Democratic voters and allow them to win ... have just realized that these GOP voter ID laws, if allowed by the courts, will disenfranchise about an equal - but highly significant - number of elderly white voters in swing states of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, that usually vote Republican.

Oops.

Expect to see diminished pushback and defense by Republicans in these states as their restrictive voter ID laws are brought to court. As the disenfranchisement numbers come out, the GOP has realized that they may have screwed themselves.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877877)

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 877880)

Our Rights do NOT come from the GOVT. We are endowed with them by the Creator. It's the Govt's job to protect our rights.

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 877879)

Play the Race Card Riot. If you can't prove you are a Citizen, you shouldn't be voting. People have all year to get an I.D. Call ACORN and ask for some assistance. You will get all the help you need. I didn't say stupid people should be STOPPED from voting, just that maybe they shouldn't. By the way Riot do you know the history of the Democratic Party? Who it was that was actually trying to keep Blacks from voting? Who started the KKK and why? Who wanted to deny Blacks their 2nd amendment rights? You guessed it! The Democrats! Read up on the Reconstruction some time. I can't understand why any hardworking Blacks would even think about registering Democrat. You go on about the Constitution yet cry out for more gun control. The Federal Govt. has been assuming undelagated powers and ignoring the Constitution for a long time. How do those elderly white people cash their SS checks anyway? J. H. Christ I have to wait in line 20 minutes at the Pharmacy then show I.D. to buy Claritin-D just so I can frikkin breath, when I used to grab a box off the shelf and head for the cash register. You make it sound like getting an I.D. is near impossible and anyone who thinks people should prove they are a Citizen to vote is a Racist.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877886)

The Voter ID laws are far more than just racist, as the courts are agreeing, they are poll taxes and unfair Constitutional infringements on the right to vote of not only specifically and discriminatarily non-white minorities, but the poor, elderly, and those that don't live a specific life style or have a certain income.

What does your state say currently (current law) about what you have to show to register to vote?

After you read up on reconstruction, keep reading through the 20th century. It's fun to demonize the current Democratic party based upon the political parties of the 1800's, especially as you all apparently read the same right-wing websites that come out with your talking points on the same day - but there's far more to that story than the superficial, shallow talking point you've been told to repeat.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877877)

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877889)

http://registerincolorado.org/r/google2

Colorado ID or SSN to register here.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877890)

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877891)

What documents meet the requirement for a "Colorado ID", and what does the law say if you don't have one?

Hint: you do not need only a SS or Driver license to register to vote in Colorado.
Acceptable forms of identification when voting If your form of identification shows your address, that address must be in the state of Colorado. · a valid Colorado driver's license · a valid identification card issued by the Department of Revenue in accordance with the requirements of Part 3 of Article 2 of Title 42, C.R.S. · a valid U.S. passport · a valid employee identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the United States government or of this state, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of this state · a valid pilot's license issued by the Federal Aviation Administration or other authorized agency of the United States · a valid U.S. military identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector · a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector. For examples, please visit: www.elections.colorado.gov · a valid Medicare or Medicaid card issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services · a certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate for the elector issued in the United States · certified documentation of naturalization · a valid student identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado, as defined in section 23-3.1-102(5), C.R.S. · A valid veteran identification card issued by the United States department of veterans affairs veterans health administration with a photograph of the eligible elector. · A valid identification card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership.
Who may register to vote in Colorado? All you need to be is this:
You are eligible to vote if you:
· will be 18 years of age or older at the time of the next election
· are a United States citizen
· are a Colorado resident and have lived in your current precinct for at least 30 days before the election
· are not serving a sentence (including parole) for a felony conviction

What documents you can show to register to vote:
Acceptable forms of identification when voting If your form of identification shows your address, that address must be in the state of Colorado.

· a valid Colorado driver's license
· a valid identification card issued by the Department of Revenue in accordance with the requirements of Part 3 of Article 2 of Title 42, C.R.S.
· a valid U.S. passport
· a valid employee identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the United States government or of this state, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of this state
· a valid pilot's license issued by the Federal Aviation Administration or other authorized agency of the United States
· a valid U.S. military identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector
· a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector. For examples, please visit: www.elections.colorado.gov
· a valid Medicare or Medicaid card issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
· a certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate for the elector issued in the United States
· certified documentation of naturalization
· a valid student identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado, as defined in section 23-3.1-102(5), C.R.S.
· A valid veteran identification card issued by the United States department of veterans affairs veterans health administration with a photograph of the eligible elector.
· A valid identification card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 877893)

Well, the Founding Fathers of our country certainly disagreed with you when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote that document specifically and deliberately to prevent people who thought like you from controlling others.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 877894)

Yup, something that proves you belong.