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Riot 09-10-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 889319)

It has been suggested that the union may be going on strike for the sole purpose of allowing Obama to intervene and settle the labor dispute, painting him as a uniter, or perhaps even as being tough on unions. This is Chicago, after all.

I laughed. Hysterically. Oh, Freepers and their conspiracy theories ... :D

lord007 09-10-2012 09:41 PM

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-d...icient-reading

:eek:..Poor kids..pay the teachers more..I know i could not live on 76k a year

Thepaindispenser 09-10-2012 10:13 PM

So Riot you endorse a system where public sector unions bribe Democrat politicians who are then supposed to sit across the table and represent us hard-working taxpayers but instead give away unsustainable benefits?

This has been going on for years but was kept under wraps by the greedy, selfish Union members and the filthy, corrupt politicians. Thankfully the age of the Internet has exposed these crooks.

So according to your theory, then you shouldn't have had any complaints about the Iraq War. After all George Bush and all of those Democrat members of Congress who voted for the war were all elected by the American people. You should never have a problem with any corruption, incompetency, waste, and cronyism since these politicians were elected by the people. No wonder why you love Obama so much!

Thepaindispenser 09-11-2012 07:13 AM

The second highest paid teachers in the country want a 16% raise and less evaluations. If you vote Democrat then you are approving four more years of catering to greedy, selfish people who have easy hours, great vacations, incredible health insurance and pensions which they contribute nothing or very little towards, airtight job security, and early retirement while they poison the minds of our youth with their outdated and failed self-serving agenda and trash us hard-working taxpayers who pay for their easy lifestyle.

By the way 39% of these hypocrite, selfish, greedy teachers send their own kids to private school.

jms62 09-11-2012 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 889453)
The second highest paid teachers in the country want a 16% raise and less evaluations. If you vote Democrat then you are approving four more years of catering to greedy, selfish people who have easy hours, great vacations, incredible health insurance and pensions which they contribute nothing or very little towards, airtight job security, and early retirement while they poison the minds of our youth with their outdated and failed self-serving agenda and trash us hard-working taxpayers who pay for their easy lifestyle.

By the way 39% of these hypocrite, selfish, greedy teachers send their own kids to private school.

Wow 39% that is saying something. Can you please provide any supporting evidence to back this up? Links from reputable sources , etc...

Dahoss 09-11-2012 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 889453)
The second highest paid teachers in the country want a 16% raise and less evaluations. If you vote Democrat then you are approving four more years of catering to greedy, selfish people who have easy hours, great vacations, incredible health insurance and pensions which they contribute nothing or very little towards, airtight job security, and early retirement while they poison the minds of our youth with their outdated and failed self-serving agenda and trash us hard-working taxpayers who pay for their easy lifestyle.

By the way 39% of these hypocrite, selfish, greedy teachers send their own kids to private school.

In many ways you are A LOT worse than Riot.

Plus I've grown pretty tired of watching you follow her around. Let's see how you like it, K?

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 08:13 AM

pezdispenser is a pawn in the false left-right paradigm.

Some of what he says is right but his anger is misguided.

My little rant was more of a jab at the system and not the teachers. Not all of the teachers in the public school system are bad at their jobs.

What has happened is bureaucracy. Lawyers, Psychiatrists, Doctors, and Police have made a staggering number of public schools nothing more than training grounds for prisons.

Feel free to dispute that. Keep your eyes closed and your ears shut.

Dahoss 09-11-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889458)
pezdispenser is a pawn in the false left-right paradigm.

Some of what he says is right but his anger is misguided.

My little rant was more of a jab at the system and not the teachers. Not all of the teachers in the public school system are bad at their jobs.

What has happened is bureaucracy. Lawyers, Psychiatrists, Doctors, and Police have made a staggering number of public schools nothing more than training grounds for prisons.

Feel free to dispute that. Keep your eyes closed and your ears shut.

I don't dispute any of this. Public schools are a joke.

But I'm tired of watching this troll in action.

Danzig 09-11-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 889455)
Wow 39% that is saying something. Can you please provide any supporting evidence to back this up? Links from reputable sources , etc...

he got that from breitbart i'd imagine, since that came up on a google search. that's from a study from 'a few years ago'. i won't vouch for the veracity of that study, or breitbarts site. found it interesting that the study they remark on isn't linked. wonder who did the study, or if it's valid?

Thepaindispenser 09-11-2012 09:04 PM

Ohhhhhhh Dahoss you are so intimidating, bring it on. I am still waiting to hear something remotely intelligent from you.

Dahoss 09-11-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 889547)
Ohhhhhhh Dahoss you are so intimidating, bring it on. I am still waiting to hear something remotely intelligent from you.

You've been following Riot around for weeks now and have yet to make ONE post about horse racing on a horse racing board.

Real heroic stuff.

I'm not trying to intimidate you at all, which would be kind of hard via the internet, wouldn't it you douchey retread?

OldDog 09-12-2012 08:47 AM

Meet the President of the Chicago Teachers Union

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m95OuXSwZ0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YXOSaMZzs

Coach Pants 09-12-2012 08:54 AM

"Bring me Solo!"

Rudeboyelvis 09-12-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889578)
"Bring me Solo!"

!!!!0000000000iiii

Coach Pants 09-12-2012 09:29 AM

I'm starting to REALLY F.UCKING believe this is all planned.

She was elected in 2010. Part of the Occupy movement. Speeches that are against Rahm and Obama.

Ask yourself if this lady voted for the man in 2008. I'm saying it's 99% that she did.

They are horrible actors.

Just swoop in and save the day, empty chair. :rolleyes:

Clip-Clop 09-12-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889578)
"Bring me Solo!"

Well played.

Thepaindispenser 09-12-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889552)
You've been following Riot around for weeks now and have yet to make ONE post about horse racing on a horse racing board.

Real heroic stuff.

I'm not trying to intimidate you at all, which would be kind of hard via the internet, wouldn't it you douchey retread?

Douchey retread, wow how long did it take you to come up with that zinger? A four-year old could come up with something more original and creative than that. I am still waiting for an intelligent post from you. Something tells me that I will be waiting a long time.

Danzig 09-12-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 889717)
Douchey retread, wow how long did it take you to come up with that zinger? A four-year old could come up with something more original and creative than that. I am still waiting for an intelligent post from you. Something tells me that I will be waiting a long time.

you might try visiting other rooms. plenty of intelligent posts from hossy.

Dahoss 09-13-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 889717)
Douchey retread, wow how long did it take you to come up with that zinger? A four-year old could come up with something more original and creative than that. I am still waiting for an intelligent post from you. Something tells me that I will be waiting a long time.

That's not really the Point, Man.

jms62 09-13-2012 09:56 AM

The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

dellinger63 09-13-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 889807)
The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

and don't forget those grossly overweight teachers got a workout walking the picket line. :)

Danzig 09-13-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 889807)
The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

see, there's always a bright side.

i read earlier that one of the teachers' complaints is on test scores being used as a measure of a teachers work. they don't like that. but, how else do they think we can make sure who the good vs the bad teachers are? and there are bad ones out there. there has to be a way to judge teaching ability-i wonder what they would suggest?

dellinger63 09-13-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 889809)
see, there's always a bright side.

i read earlier that one of the teachers' complaints is on test scores being used as a measure of a teachers work. they don't like that. but, how else do they think we can make sure who the good vs the bad teachers are? and there are bad ones out there. there has to be a way to judge teaching ability-i wonder what they would suggest?

Apparantly testing and wages have been agreed to. The fight is over how much power individual principals will have hiring and firing. The union wants them to have none.

Meanwhile the city's public charter schools are in session and far out performing the rest. Their teachers coincidently are not part of the union.

The real issue is half of Chicago's schools are far from capacity. Emanuel wants to consolidate and shut down failing schools (up to 100 has been a number put out there) and the union is concerned about losing jobs.

They (the union not teachers) could give a f'k about the students.

GBBob 09-13-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 889817)
Apparantly testing and wages have been agreed to. The fight is over how much power individual principals will have hiring and firing. The union wants them to have none.

Meanwhile the city's public charter schools are in session and far out performing the rest. Their teachers coincidently are not part of the union.

The real issue is half of Chicago's schools are far from capacity. Emanuel wants to consolidate and shut down failing schools (up to 100 has been a number put out there) and the union is concerned about losing jobs.

They (the union not teachers) could give a f'k about the students.

That's not what I read in the ST yesterday Steve...said despite all the deregulations etc there performance is no better than public schools. I'll try and find article later.

pointman 09-13-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889805)
That's not really the Point, Man.

Then what is Da point?

dellinger63 09-13-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 889829)
That's not what I read in the ST yesterday Steve...said despite all the deregulations etc there performance is no better than public schools. I'll try and find article later.

I didn't get to the ST yesterday but found this study of 2011 comparing 4th and 8th grade reading and math tests however it only considered low income children and is from a libertarian site.

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This suggests you can take a poor, underperforming African-American or Latino child from a traditional public school and put him in a charter school, where he has the chance to improve or thrive educationally.

Because charter schools are free of the restrictions on teacher hiring, firing and evaluations that hamstring Chicago's traditional public schools, they recruit and retain demonstrably better educators. This is not to say there are no good teachers in traditional public schools–far from it. But it does suggest strongly that the inflexibility and high cost of unionized public school teachers does not help in educating students well. That is, of course, everyone's goal with taxpayer-financed, government-provided education, right?
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-li...arter-schools/

Dahoss 09-13-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889836)
Then what is Da point?

Which one am I talking to now?

pointman 09-13-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889902)
Which one am I talking to now?

Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

Thepaindispenser 09-13-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889904)
Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

Dahoss has no point, it comes with the territory when you still support this incompetent, lying, corrupt, uncompromising, fraud in the White House.

Dahoss 09-13-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889904)
Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

Let's not play dumb. If you want to insult me, do it under your name. That was my point.

pointman 09-14-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889935)
Let's not play dumb. If you want to insult me, do it under your name. That was my point.

I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.

Alabama Stakes 09-14-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889943)
I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.


If you are the point man for anything, then the guys with you are in trouble. You couldn't be best man in an all girl school. For a mook like you, who couldn't pick his brother out of a room full of dachshunds, to insult a handicapper like Mr hoss, is totally absurd.

Dahoss 09-14-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889943)
I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.

Just so I'm clear, this is the story you are going with.

You're not thepaindispenser despite his political views being identical to yours. You're not thepaindispenser despite your posting styles being identical. You introduced this guy to the board and after his third post you welcomed him, while pretending you didn't know who he was, but you're not him.

When I asked him a question yesterday and you responded and then he did a few minutes later, that was just a coincidence? And despite this guy being here for a little over a month he insults people by telling them he's waiting to hear something intelligent from them? But you're not him?

I call bullshit. And frankly it's kind of embarrassing to watch you try and weasel your way out if it. Own it and let's move forward tough guy.

Dahoss 09-14-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 889962)
If you are the point man for anything, then the guys with you are in trouble. You couldn't be best man in an all girl school. For a mook like you, who couldn't pick his brother out of a room full of dachshunds, to insult a handicapper like Mr hoss, is totally absurd.

You're not helping here.

jms62 09-14-2012 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 889962)
If you are the point man for anything, then the guys with you are in trouble. You couldn't be best man in an all girl school. For a mook like you, who couldn't pick his brother out of a room full of dachshunds, to insult a handicapper like Mr hoss, is totally absurd.

To be completely honest, Pointman is a good handicapper himself.

pmacdaddy 09-14-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889974)
Just so I'm clear, this is the story you are going with.

I call bullshit. And frankly it's kind of embarrassing to watch you try and weasel your way out if it. Own it and let's move forward tough guy.

Nothing personal, but perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is regarding accusing Nick having PD as a second log in... I am fairly certain he would take that action.

Alabama Stakes 09-14-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889975)
You're not helping here.

You don't need my help Mr Hoss. especially when it comes to this loser.

I do appreciate all your help, however.

Dahoss 09-14-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy (Post 889981)
Nothing personal, but perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is regarding accusing Nick having PD as a second log in... I am fairly certain he would take that action.

Finally an unbiased perspective.

:rolleyes:

pointman 09-14-2012 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 889974)
Just so I'm clear, this is the story you are going with.

You're not thepaindispenser despite his political views being identical to yours. You're not thepaindispenser despite your posting styles being identical. You introduced this guy to the board and after his third post you welcomed him, while pretending you didn't know who he was, but you're not him.

When I asked him a question yesterday and you responded and then he did a few minutes later, that was just a coincidence? And despite this guy being here for a little over a month he insults people by telling them he's waiting to hear something intelligent from them? But you're not him?

I call bullshit. And frankly it's kind of embarrassing to watch you try and weasel your way out if it. Own it and let's move forward tough guy.

Let me set the record straight here. First of all, I have never had a problem with you and if I did I would have addressed it with you.

Second of all, I am not PD. Over drinks and a conversation regarding politics, which obviously PD and I have similar views, I showed him the nonsense and bullying tactics that Riot uses here. PD decided to sign up and join as a member here himself on his own, which I see no problem with someone doing and expressing their opinions against what he obviously thought was nonsense. I saw no obligation to reveal that I know him once he told me that it was him that signed up as PD, if I am wrong on that end, fine. Now you know that I know him, but his views are his own and he is a big boy and can defend them himself. In fact, he is smarter than I.

I see nothing that I have to weasel out of Hoss. The more people that come to the website, the better for the game, IMO, regardless of whether they feel they have more knowledge on horses or politics. If you don't like the politics that PD and/or I express, fine, debate it. But I certainly feel that this section has been wrestled from Riot's control and freed up for actual debate (which actually has occurred very nicely the last few days without Riot's typical nasty tactics), which I have expressed several times that is what my goal in fighting Riot is.

If you wanted to know whether I was using a second ID, all you had to do is ask and I would have told you exactly what I am saying now, which is that it is simply not true. pmac only says that because he knows who PD is and that it is not me. If you have a problem with me, fine, address it with me and I will be happy to respond.

Antitrust32 09-14-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 889990)
Let me set the record straight here. First of all, I have never had a problem with you and if I did I would have addressed it with you.

Second of all, I am not PD. Over drinks and a conversation regarding politics, which obviously PD and I have similar views, I showed him the nonsense and bullying tactics that Riot uses here. PD decided to sign up and join as a member here himself on his own, which I see no problem with someone doing and expressing their opinions against what he obviously thought was nonsense. I saw no obligation to reveal that I know him once he told me that it was him that signed up as PD, if I am wrong on that end, fine. Now you know that I know him, but his views are his own and he is a big boy and can defend them himself. In fact, he is smarter than I.

I see nothing that I have to weasel out of Hoss. The more people that come to the website, the better for the game, IMO, regardless of whether they feel they have more knowledge on horses or politics. If you don't like the politics that PD and/or I express, fine, debate it. But I certainly feel that this section has been wrestled from Riot's control and freed up for actual debate (which actually has occurred very nicely the last few days without Riot's typical nasty tactics), which I have expressed several times that is what my goal in fighting Riot is.

If you wanted to know whether I was using a second ID, all you had to do is ask and I would have told you exactly what I am saying now, which is that it is simply not true. pmac only says that because he knows who PD is and that it is not me. If you have a problem with me, fine, address it with me and I will be happy to respond.

:tro:

bring all the anti-Riots on board as you like!


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