You and Dell are brothers in fantasy land.

Now - you passed by Zuccotti park alot in the past, so tell us how many protesters are in Foley Square right now?

I'm honored. I celebrated by watching 30 seconds of Ustream.

Did you get to see Dell's naked dancing protesters?

It bounces around way too much for me. It is like helmet cam on jockeys without the horses.

And no pun intended with the bouncing

Yeah, it can be pretty sea-sick producing when they are walking.

I just think the gleeful way the supposedly peaceful protesters speak of taunting the police that it is pretty obvious what their intent is. And it isnt a protest against Wall Street, it is basically troublemaking for attention.

:zz: Where are you getting that from? I've been listening to the livestream in the other window for the past couple hours. Who is trying to start trouble?

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Watch the livestream, not Dells dreams. They are at the bridge.

How do you know they aren't part of the protest/movement? So everything bad is the cops/mayor's fault and when they movement does something wrong, there not part of the REAL movement.

Right, cause those town hall meeting were on the up and up. With all the hand picked layup questions. :rolleyes:.

It's a beautiful thing man.....

http://www.owsexposed.com/photo-gallery/

Some are. There are people that want to use violence like Black Bloc techniques. They are constantly voted down and told no.

Anarchists tend to show up dressed in black, hooded, masked, and willing to cause trouble (like the guy throwing the barriers around today, that was arrested - and should have been, IMO)

Then there's the bunch of half-crazies that shows up for any protest, as an excuse to try and incite violence. Then theres infiltrative agent provacateurs (some off duty cops have been identified)

But the massive majority of this protest is calm and peaceful. It's outliers that are not - both on the side of the cops and of the protesters. You don't hear about the peaceful. I'll bet most people are not even aware how big the movement is, or that it's international, that it's coordinated, and well-planned. Our media certainly does not help. Lawsuit filed against Oakland for police brutality, and today for another jurisdiction (I forget which one).

You can't do that any more - there is too much video, even if the NYPD does erase all video and pictures from the cell phones of people they arrested in the last 24 hours. There is too much extraneous citizen video.

The protest reiterates, over and over, city after city, thousands of people involved, that it will be peaceful, and those that choose to get arrested for civil disobedience (refusing to move and vacate, for example) should remain completely passive, not resist, etc. Protesters have stopped violence and vandalism. Most cops have been great, some have been awful, hurting people that were not breaking any law nor declining to follow police instructions.

And no, I do NOT agree with closing the NYSE, with delaying the opening bell, with occupying the lobby of Bank of America, etc. Protesters should not do that.

This is huge - here's an overhead helicopter view
 

This has to be at least 5,000 people:

Overhead helicopter view:
http://www.myfoxny.com/subindex/video/live_video_2

From from pedestrian walkway on bridge:
http://www.ustream.tv/theother99#utm...medium=9488285

Overhead helicopter view, above, Fox 5 News:

Estimates 10,000 protesters, stretching for mile across bridge, with more on each side.

Verizon Building, multiple stories tall, at base of Brooklyn bridge, has huge light display on side:

"We are the 99%"
"Love"
"We are winning"
"Mic Check"
"We can change the world"

This protest has gone on pretty peacefully in NY for over 2 months. Sure there have been a few bumps in the road, but if you really think where these people were camping out(illegally)/marching all over the place, it's been relatively calm. Today was different because of the threats that they made. But I also think patience is running thin. How much overtime is NY city/state and the taxpayers supposed to pay for? What is the movement's end game? Obviously they have some legit issues, but like I mentioned before, the whole movement has become this 10,000 headed monster with everyone complaining about something else. Let's face it, the damage has already been done. There is no backtracking. Why don't they camp out in front of the White House, maybe that will get something done. Let the President see it outside of his door everyday. Maybe that will get him to do something about jobs. Because by the looks of it, all they are stating to do is spin their wheels in New York city.

For the record, even if they prevented every single person from going in to the NYSE this morning, they would have opened buisness as usual. Despite what people think, the people on the floor are dying a slow death. Between over regulation and automation it's just a matter of time before that place is a museum. Then we'll see how all the NY state government programs run without all that taxed revenue coming in. But that's for another thread at another time.

There is an Occupy DC, there has been for 6 weeks.

Occupy has always had a clear, main message: economic inequality, created by our government being owned by corporations, and citizens losing power in our democracy. Anybody saying "no message" isn't listening.

There is a massive police presence, far more than probably needed. Save some bucks, keep some cops back. No need for overwhelming brutal force show.

Today the police were reported as calmer, smiling, assumption was they are getting used to the protesters and realize violence rare and not supported, are treating protesters differently.

Fox News estimates 10,000; NBC News estimates 20,000. Still on bridge but coming back to Zuccotti slowly.

MSM writing stories about how only a few hundred protesters were there, and how big a failure today was. :rolleyes:

Reports from the Occupy 2 month Anniversary in other cities coming in.

I'll bet nobody knows that OWS pushed Change Your Bank day, and 400,000 new credit union accounts (removing money from BoA, Chase, etc.) were created in October, and BoA rescinded it's $5 debit fee planned raise due to public pressure. Occupy is working. Our media isn't reporting it. But the information is there. Just have to look at the "new" media.

They're jumping?

:tro::tro:

NBC and Fox estimate 15,000 - 20,000 at OWS
 

marched across the Brooklyn Bridge. Occupy was joined by union workers after 5:00pm

Don't bother to look to Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS if you want to find out what happened yesterday at Occupy Wall Street New York, and 100 other cities internationally, on the "November 17 Day of Action".

News helicopter (Fox 5 ) video of the now- famous "We are the 99%" tone poem that was the laser light show broadcast on the side of the Verizon Building as thousands crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxG4g62rnd8

'peaceful' protesters set up a new camp...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BA7P1M1KPH.DTL

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aw, but they lost their new 'home'.

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19378515



as i've said more than once, protest all you wish. but why they have to live in squalid surroundings on private property, i don't know. how does tearing down fencing and no trespassing signs and pitching tents on property they have no right to squat on further their argument?

They were allegedly supposed to be protesting something about homeless people, but you can't break into and squat on private property.

See the black hoodies, covering their faces? Those are not Occupy. Those are black bloc supporters. See the kids in the background? Followers from Occupy who don't want peaceful protest. They have a split in Oakland, as they've been on the receiving end of so much violence there.

gimme a break. anyone who does anything overt isn't actually an occupy protester, even if they are part of the movement? i'd call that cherry picking.

the article identifies them as occupy protesters.



Rebellious Occupy Oakland demonstrators cut through a chain-link fence and tore down no-trespassing signs in a vacant Uptown neighborhood lot Saturday night, setting up a new encampment in bold defiance of Mayor Jean Quan.




The dirt-covered lot at 19th Street and Telegraph Avenue, next to the refurbished Fox Theater, is five blocks north of Frank Ogawa Plaza, where Occupy Oakland demonstrators were ousted in a predawn police raid Monday.


hundreds of demonstrators, who had just concluded a march through downtown and the Lake Merritt neighborhoods, got past officers with ease and without confrontation. During the march, they shouted criticism at banks, one of the objects of their larger protest against economic injustice.

They cut through the fencing with wire cutters and tore it down completely before quickly setting up a dozen tents on the property, which is owned by the Oakland Redevelopment Agency.




The evicted demonstrators announced two days later that they planned to resettle in the Uptown area, an emerging neighborhood of trendy lofts, restaurants and bars, after business leaders urged city officials to shut down the camp at Frank Ogawa Plaza in front of City Hall.





Occupy Oakland representatives also were elusive in announcing their plans. But one said the lot probably wouldn't be occupied more than a night or two.

that sounds like occupy to me.

S.F. moves in on tents
Earlier in the day in San Francisco, city officials moved in on two Occupy SF encampments set up near the waterfront.

Public works crews arrived at the compound at Justin Herman Plaza a little after noon to remove dozens of tents set up illegally on a narrow patch of muddy grass along the Embarcadero. They allowed the larger encampment in the public plaza's interior to stay intact - for now.




Public works officials also issued a set of 11 conditions that they said must be met if demonstrators had a chance of staying.

Among them: There can be no more than 100 small tents, spaced at least 2 feet apart, and they will not be permitted on the plaza's two bocce ball courts or grassy areas; pathways must be kept clear; health and fire inspectors, as well as animal-control officers, must have full access; and other health and safety standards must be met.

"There are still major areas of noncompliance," Nuru said Saturday as he stood on the edge of the encampment surveying the scene.

San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee, who has taken a cautious approach in dealing with the Occupy camps, said he hopes to avoid violent skirmishes between police and protesters, like those experienced in Oakland and other cities.

"I'm trying to think a little long term here of how everyone can get to a point where everyone has some degree of satisfaction out of what we do," he said.

The Occupy SF communications team issued a statement describing the conditions set by the city as unachievable.

"We believe that these demands are merely a strategic harassment aimed at silencing the voice of the movement," the statement said.


i have to say i completely disagree with that last statement. people can protest without sleeping in tents.

It's not cherry picking to refuse to let you, or a newspaper, paint all protesters with the same broad brush.

There are violent groups of people trying to associate with the movement, and the violence is completely rejected by the Occupy folks. Same thing happened in NY, when a few violent protesters marching with Occupy broke windows. They have a problem in Washington with homeless drug addicts in the camp.

Same thing happened with the everywhere picture of the guy from OWS in New York, with the very bloody head? He was destroying police barricades, in front of the police, and the cops closed down Zuccotti, came in, took him down, and his head is bloody from hitting the curb when they took him down (that's all on video). So when people call him a "victim" of police violence - they are not really correct. He was trying to incite violence.

The Occupy movement supports no violence or illegal actions other than misdemeanor civil disobedience.

Oakland has trouble, there is a violent faction there. You can read - as it's all public - on the blogs and websites where the Occupy camps hang out, they've talked about what they did with cutting the fence, and they do not like what this splinter group has done (occupying private property). They've had trouble since Quan attacked them, with a group that is following the violent and a group that is still refusing to.

i understand that these protests will get hangers on who have their own agenda-but that certainly doesn't mean that the 'real' protesters are all lily white. not by a long shot. occupy spokespeople said they'd be in that lot a day or two; they obviously were aware of what it would take to occupy that lot.
but, if they want to pick and choose what laws to break, i guess they can't be surprised when they get arrested. i didn't know trespassing and destruction of property were misdemeanors.
or do they get their bad guy brothers to take all that heat while they stand by and claim innocence? but they'll move in after the hard work is done?

I didn't say they were. They clearly are not, which is why the non-violent Occupy doesn't support them. Put it this way: the Lawyer's Guild, who has been helping out all the Occupy protesters arrested for civil disobedience, may let them be on their own for that.

There is a vast difference between peaceful non-violent civil disobedience and breaking and entering, destroying property, taking over private property.

Yeah, that's it. They are all hoping for violent anarchy. Like the Occupy protesters that just Friday were attacked by the police with pepper spray, yet lifted not one finger to defend themselves. Like the estimated 15,000 non-violent and peaceful protesters in New York, on the Brooklyn Bridge, last Thursday. Oh, wait - the media sorta ignored that. I think CBS evening news reported that event as, "200 or so people here in the park, it's dead here"

Right now, there is an Official Occupy drum circle (I hate drum circles, they are cruel and unusual punishment) on the edge of Central Park, near Mayer Michael Bloombergs townhouse. They are paying him back for his attention and devotion to Zuccotti park. !0:00pm is curfew. Will the protesters be rousted? Here's the live feed:http://www.ustream.tv/theother99