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Never mind voting - that is an absolute joke. It's a lot like Cook county find out how many you need before you count them. |
i worked for several years at the schools here. they passed block scheduling a few years ago. the teachers teach three classes a day at 1 1/2 hours per class. it is a sweet gig. 178 days a year with kids in front of you. wknds, holidays, more vacation time than any other profession. yep, it's rough.
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tony was just flipping channels. landed on international house hunters. lo and behold, a cali schoolteacher looking to buy a second home in italy. her quote-i have tons of time off...
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interesting article, on the stimulus, state govts, wisconsin, etc
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41650031/ns/politics/ |
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"Walker wants most public workers — except for police, firefighters and state troopers — to pay more of their pension and health care costs.Walker would also limit pay increases to the inflation rate (currently less than 2 percent) unless voters OK’d larger raises via referendum. Again he’d exempt police, firefighters and troopers from that pay lid. Most controversially, he wants to curb the power of public-sector employee unions, ending collective bargaining rights for state workers (other than law enforcement officers), except over the issue of wages."
Why the favoritism for certain professions? This is flawed. He's exempting people that probably didn't even have to go to college to get their jobs. What brilliant line of thinking resulted in this beauty? |
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Police, Fire Fighter's jobs affect public safety. If you have an extra 2 kids in class I don't think the public's safety is at risk |
The dismissive tone in this thread for teachers is a little unsettling.
If you've ever been in a classroom after 1990 or are friends with a teacher then you would know that they are up against it. These liberal p.ussy-fart laws have made it nearly impossible to maintain discipline and it has resulted in numerous teachers giving up. These are your "bad" teachers. Sure there are some that are naturally bad, but the majority have given up. Frustrated and disillusioned and controlled by a central office that might as well be a Eunuch's den. The reality is some of these kids should be post-natal aborted. They are a drain on society and their parents should be fixed like dogs. |
Public sector unions are making political donations with taxpayer dollars nation wide. This is the biggest money laundering scheme in history.
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This is how a WI town with a volunteer Fire Department is protesting today!
http://www.gordysboats.com/AboutGord...tyontheIce.asp |
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if you closed all of the public schools today all the kids of parents that want their kids educated will and the ones that just want free day care and free meals will still get that in Illinois 4% of girls under 18 end up pregnant and living off the state. this adds up to too fn many real damn quick. the hell with schools lets build prisons |
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With the Citizen's United ruling, private citizen contributions hardly matter any more. Who controls the money has a huge influence over elections. Of the top ten political contributors, 7 are corporate Republican, and 3 are corporate Democratic. The 3 Democratic ones are the unions these GOP governors are trying to break up. Everyone knows unions historically vote and support Democratic. Break up the unions, break up dues paying, get the money out of the hands of the unions, unions cannot contribute to candidates, the GOP financially controls the elections with no opposition. Witness the Koch brothers financing and bussing in their Tea Party to counter-demonstrate. Walker clearly isn't interested in the budget deficit here - the union has said it will gladly give up benefits, has no problem with Walker's desires if Walker will talk to them, negotiate and maintain collective bargaining rights. Walker has completely refused. It's all about union busting. Not budget. |
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The rank and file of those unions, however, are now standing hand-in-hand with the teachers, nurses and prision guards Walker is trying to union bust. |
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I don't understand this: Why do you think they have taxpayer dollars? Since when do taxpayers give money directly to unions? What is money-laundering about it? Union members pay their due, but sorry, that is no longer "taxpayer money" the moment it goes into the paycheck. |
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His entire state is held up by federal dollars supporting the fact his state is broke. The federal government is enabling local police, fire, etc to be paid. The stimulus funds saved many a state, in the past two years, from having to lay off workers. |
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The GOP in the House are doing massive political manouvering right now - adding tons of amendments to the short-term financing extension bill, that they know the Dems don't like (defund Planned Parenthood, defund PPACA, etc) - because they know the Senate won't pass that, nor will Obama pass that, so when the government shutdown occurs March 4, the GOP can try and blame the Democrats. The Democrats will blame the GOP for larding up the short-term extension with political culture war issues. That's how it works :D Good for the Wisconsin Dems for being smart enough to leave down (as other parties have done in other states, for the same reasons). They are fighting for the ability of people to unionize. Walker did NOT campaign on the promise to break up unions and eliminate them. |
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Update from Saturday on Wisconsin
From HuffPost (couldn't find any other "live" comments). That is alot of people!
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And the idea that the unions financial contributions somehow "balance" the playing field is laughable. |
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but... The Democrats are fighting for the poor, oppressed union worker (altruistic reasons) Uh ok. This is why debating topics with you is so pointless. |
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Illinois is corrupt did they rescind that? |
All reports nationally and locally, all peaceful in MadTown... And I'm sure there was a muslim or few among them.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/wisc...2/19/id/386753 |
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I think this is the major point. When you have students and weirdo leftists doing protests it is no big deal but when the working man gets motivated to spend his free time protesting, it's a big deal. |
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Revolution against everything and yet at the same time nothing! True communists..... |
what should happen to the doctors that sign fraudulent releases for fraudulent illnesses?
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Public unions should be outlawed. They serve no usefull purpose.
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heard yesterday on the radio that last year, for the first time ever, that govt workers now make up the majority of union membership. unions have been decreasing for years now, they certainly don't want govts trying to bust them. personally, i think unions are an anachronism. with govt regulations of workplace safety, hours, overtime, etc, are they necessary any more?
also, it's time for those feeding at the public trough to have their salaries, benefits, etc match comparable jobs in the private sector. most states have govt workers who make above the average for their job-why? typically, benefits are also better than in private areas. again, why? on another point, there's a city (i believe in ct) that has their cops up in arms because the mayor has suggested cutting the force a bit. with crime decreasing, it certianly makes sense. so the police are furious and demonstrating. again, why? just another example of people recognizing cuts must be made, which they agree with-til they're the group that gets the cutting. local, regional, state and even the fed have been allowed to grow too much over the years, it's time to cut back. |
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BTW You seem upset Walker is exempting Police and Fire unions because you claim they supported him yet seem fine with Obama exempting unions subscribing to the Obamasocialistcare Plan who supported him? Walker is doing what he promised to do and for a politician that is so refreshing. Great job Governor and On Wisconsin! BTW This is the same guy that sent back the unwanted Federal Rail money feeling the funds would be better used paying down debt. If only we had a Scott Walker for each state. Today winter has returned to WI, we'll see how tough the teachers are. With the teachers planning to sit out another week it is obvious THEIR benefits and contracts trump the children and like the former Fed Flight Controllers they need to all go and be replaced. Planes didn't fall out of the sky as predicted and I'm sure the students will be fine as well. Education is broke right now so we should have no fear fixing it. When teachers fail to teach 50% of students how to read and do basic math in 12 years time they deserve nothing! |
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