Actually that was from a Nate Silver discussion on one of the talk/news shows this past week, talking about Sestak race and a few others. I agree 538 is the most accurate Also still about 75% for GOP to take House.

Yes, the "GOP retakes the Senate for sure Tsunami" was re-written shortly after the primaries, when the Tea Party candidates started opening their mouths and it was realized that was lost :D

Paul is pure extreme anti-government Libertarian through and through. No way for me. You go right ahead if you wish.

He's not a true libertarian. But I won't let your consistent hysterics get in the way of facts.

And I won't let your endless mental conflation with a rude five-year-old affect mine :tro:

Today on 538, Silver has the Senate Democratic, but the GOP only up 19-20 in the House. That's low, the predictions started at 40.

And Rand Paul's wife - that's right, the wife, not the candidate - is holding a press conference in 45 minutes at 1:00 eastern, I presume to cry over Jack Conway still running the Aqua Buddha ad (all that fuss over a bong, geesh <g>) and talk about how Christian they are.

affect your hysteria or facts?

My laughter at Coach's purposely misogynistic selection of adjective ;) combined with his apparent utter inability (I can only assume it inability, as it wasn't offered up, he resorted to his usual name-calling as a debate tactic) to describe what makes Rand Paul not a definitive Libertarian.

It hurts more coming from a faux republican. Boo hoo, fraud.

How is pointing out your consistent hysterics name calling, you dense twat?

LOL - I'm not the one throwing the temper tantrum :D

consistent hysterics retorted with comparing me mentally to a five year old are only equal insults in your feeble mind.

I really hope you get cancer and die a slow, painful death. If I had a horse that was near death I would sell it to a slaughterhouse instead of sending it to you. The chances of it surviving would be much higher.

Have a nice day, scumbag.

Geeshus, you're a bore.

Maybe you could take a deep breath, try and act a little like an adult, and tell us why you think Rand Paul isn't a textbook Libertarian.

You made the claim he was an extremist libertarian. The burden of proof lies on your stupid ass.

Don't forget to stomp your feet, stick out your tongue, and kick the wall.

Way to avoid backing up your ridiculous claim. The insults hurled your way are valid. You're a colossal piece of s.hit.

No true libertarian would be against abortion rights. Use your ass instead of your head next time.

You remind me that Pauls position on education sucks, too. And mental health care.

The Department of Education sucks.

That I agree with. :tro::tro:

Rand Paul agrees to return to Monday debate
 

Good news - Rand Paul has decided to attend the last Monday night debate with Jack Conway after all. After last debate he said he's pulling out.

Not a hard decision, really, because the hosts and Conway said they would go ahead with the televised debate as a question-answer grill of the single candidate even if Paul didn't show.

The last debate was filled with Aqua Buddha fireworks (Paul leaving at the end and refusing to shake Conway's hand, etc) - this will be interesting!

Rand Paul supporters stomp on woman outside debate
 

Well, interesting debate tonight.

Especially the video WKYT-27 News took before the event in the parking lot, a few Rand Paul supporters outside the event throwing to the ground, and stomping on the head of, a woman who says she's from MoveOn.org holding an anti-Rand sign.

Way to go, brave tolerant men of Kentucky!

Thank God those brave Republican patriots are ready, willing and able to protect women from Sharia law.

(Republican DT'er rebuttal post that the woman was asking for it in 3...2...1...)

There's not enough info. This easily could be a setup by desperate libtards. It's not like the "victim" has a clean past and it's not like Conway supporters haven't used plants in the past. See Fancy Farm for reference.

Here's the video (hope it links correctly; YouTube is dinky on iPad)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy...layer_embedded

u-tubey dinky on i-pad?

There's a whole story within that one.





And will you kindly stop usng Suffy's dead donkey as your avytar?

The sensationalist media has headlines of "Curb-stomping" like it was similar to what happened in American History X.

He pushed down on her shoulder. I don't know why liberals have so much trouble with anatomy. Maybe it's more of a dishonesty problem/win at all costs than it is about honesty.

Color me shocked.

I saw ONE guy step on her and many yell stop or call the police but way to group all men of KY as women abusers based on the actions of one. Amazing you stick up for Muslim men but not KY men. Actually it isn't amazing at all. :zz:

This has typical setup written all over it. Let's see a woman from Massachusetts, the daughter of one of New England's largest real estate developers, a professional protester with not only MoveOn but also Greenpeace, who has been arrested everywhere from Beijing China to New Orleans LA to Manhattan NY shows up in a blonde wig and somehow is attacked by a Rand supporter? Conway's camp has tried similar tactics before
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bpgnkNN7Q

Pretty impressive stuff to actually infiltrate the Paul campaign some time ago with a volunteer campaign coordinator just to wait all this time so he could step on a woman's head just to make Paul look bad.

Liberals are getting better at this setup stuff every day! This has to be one of the best plants in history!

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/26/...er-identified/

I like that site. The first comment below the article is a libtard comparing the tea party to the Nazi party.

It's all so ridiculous. Both sides have nut-jobs. And two of them are center stage in this mess. Both are indefensible.

Of course that's true.

But also completely irrelevant to silly claims that this was some kind of setup.

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...mping+on+woman

Reports of a Paul supporter's foot being stepped on. No video. I guess there's no video because she wasn't a paid employee for a right-wing website. So, if you're a regular of this horrible sub-forum, that means she has no credibility. The moveon trust fund baby does, however.

Silly? Her whole shtick is to provoke what happened to her in order to swing voters to her candidate/agenda. To not have reservations about the validity of that video would be borderline naive.

You can't be serious, right? My foot got stepped on at a concert last week. That kind of thing happens in crowded places....stepping on someone's head who disagrees with you after they get pushed down does not happen, as a matter of course, in public places inhabited by decent people.

After my foot got stepped on, though, I did call the police to file charges against the guy who bumped into me with his shoulder while he was dancing, causing me to spill my $6 beer and asked that charges be pressed for vandalism to my property.

How does one provoke someone to step on their head? Provocation for votes is one thing that I'm not particularly fond of, but it's not like you can just provoke someone into throwing you to the ground and stepping on your head when you're already completely neutralized.

You know what would have kept her from getting her head stepped on? Not a lack of provocation on her part, but if there wasn't someone around who was willing to step on a woman's head. That whole personal responsibility thing that conservatives pretend to love rears its ugly head again.

Oops.

Yes because that scenario is exactly the same as what happened to her.

Dude you're being dense just to be right. Or maybe you are a complete idiot. Who knows. Don't care enough to continue this conversation with a simplistic robot.

Dense? Would her head have been stepped on when she was in an unthreatening position if there wasn't some jackhole around who was willing to step on her head?

That's simplistic, of course. But the main reason why is that the reason is SIMPLE, so by nature, it's a simplistic argument.

Her head didn't go get itself stepped on. Or maybe it did, and I'm too simple and dense to understand how those kinds of things happen. I don't care if she has a concussion or whether she just had to experience it...it's pretty wild watching you make excuses for public violence towards a woman just because "both sides have crazy people."

And I'm the dense and simplistic one. Sheesh.

See, this is what is so frustrating about this board. That so many simply just. can't. read.

I called "the few Rand Paul supporters" (not everyone) involved "brave, tolerant" = not at all of other people's political views.

Was that so hard? To read exactly what I wrote, Dell, and not something you make up in your head? Woman abusers? You'd just pull that out of your butt?

This is exactly what MoveOn.org has been doing this whole election to other GOP candidates. They stand there and hold up the RepubliCorp sign at GOP candidate rallies and hope to get the candidate in the photo. She was from PA sent in by MoveOn.

But guess what? Everyone has every right to be there and hold up their signs. Even people from PA sent by MoveOn to hold up signs.

But no, not according to these brave Paul supporters defending our rights and taking our country back!

One guy grabs her and pulls her back and down to the ground, then gets on top of her and holds her down, while the braver one takes a stomp on her head/shoulders.

Based only on that fact she was in their crowd holding up an sign that wasn't a Rand Paul sign.

You'll also notice that she was completely passive, and didn't fight being grabbed and thrown to the ground at all. Not one bit.

A complete embarrassment to Kentucky.

So now it's acceptable behavior to put on a wig, make a sign with bad liberal humor, travel from Massachusetts on company dime, and have a gotcha moment with a politician?

Consequences for actions, Brian. Not everything is cut and dry in the wild. There are laws but the government hasn't put a chip in our heads to remind us how to behave. If they did this incident would of never have happened.

It happened. You have two people with a financial interest in the election. Their livelihoods will benefit if their candidate gets elected. These people are desperate. This isn't some Utopia we're in right now and if you aren't aware of your actions in public and you don't realize the consequences then there is a chance you will end up on the ground with a foot on your shoulder.

And I'm giving MoveOn.org the benefit of the doubt here. They can't be so retarded that they've never considered their actions could lead to an occasional physical altercation.

Of course I could be the naive one and maybe the Repubcorp sign or whatever the f.uck it said was all they were going for. But then I'd have to sniff lots of gas for that to happen so I'll go with the first one.

Well we completely disagree on that. It's not Utopian to think that people should be able to control themselves and behave like human beings, even if provoked (and hilariously enough, especially when that provocation involves a wig and holding a sign....some extreme provocation in the big picture, we agree on that, at least).

It's the same exact argument in a different sphere that women should be aware of what they wear in public and how much they drink so they don't get raped by people prone to raping women and trying to blame their outfit or intoxication for forcing them to grab the woman off a street and force them into an alley.

These things happen because there is someone willing to do them, not because someone wore a short skirt, or wore a wig and held a sign to get a gotcha moment with a politician. That's just absolving people of personal responsibility and the duty to have some common decency and self-restraint towards other people.

The absence of people who were willing to be violent towards each other would guarantee that they wouldn't happen. That's not Utopian, that's the truth. If people can't control themselves and keep themselves from harming each other, it's THEIR fault, plain and simple, and passing the blame in even the slightest way to the person they attacked is horrid.

We can disagree on that, but it's hardly naive to expect people to control themselves, and in turn, expect them to take ALL the responsibility for it when they don't.