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South Beach Luv 08-18-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 684376)
We are hoping they use this race

Nightcap? :tro:

GBBob 08-18-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv (Post 684721)
Nightcap? :tro:

lol..12 hole AGAIN...can't make it up.

Scav 08-18-2010 03:52 PM

11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.

ateamstupid 08-18-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684775)
11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.



I knew that would stick with you. And that started because you equated being a racing fan in NY to "being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home." As for Arlington being the most beautiful track "on" the country, you sure as hell weren't saying that when you were at Saratoga.

Scav 08-18-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 684781)


I knew that would stick with you. And that started because you equated being a racing fan in NY to "being onsite and cheering one of those NY bred turf sprints home." As for Arlington being the most beautiful track "on" the country, you sure as hell weren't saying that when you were at Saratoga.

You didn't ask plant-wise. There is NO track more beautiful structure wise in the United States then Arlington.

Saratoga is a different beast. The 'plant' is old school and I will never argue that the backyard atmosphere is beatable because it isn't, the only thing comparable is Del Mar and I still think Saratoga is better.

I still don't get how being excited and talking about how awesome it was to be onsite to see Zenyatta win the BCC is ball breaking territory. Which is how you started it all

ateamstupid 08-18-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684787)
I still don't get how being excited and talking about how awesome it was to be onsite to see Zenyatta win the BCC is ball breaking territory. Which is how you started it all

Because you've allowed it to completely cloud your judgment of her and her campaign. The first time you told me about how the crowd went wild at SA wasn't in response to a question about what it was like at the track that day. It was in response to a question about her place in history and the crowd reaction in the Classic was irrelevant to that discussion.

NTamm1215 08-18-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 684789)
Because you've allowed it to completely cloud your judgment of her and her campaign. The first time you told me about how the crowd went wild at SA wasn't in response to a question about what it was like at the track that day. It was in response to a question about her place in history and the crowd reaction in the Classic was irrelevant to that discussion.

For what it's worth, the crowd went berserk at Monmouth when Rachel won the Haskell. Not that I want to start one of these arguments...

NT

ateamstupid 08-18-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684793)
For what it's worth, the crowd went berserk at Monmouth when Rachel won the Haskell. Not that I want to start one of these arguments...

NT

They went nuts for her at Saratoga too. Therefore I'm just so thankful that they didn't retire her and we get to see her this year. Am I dissatisfied? Sure. But I'm just so grateful and satisfied that we get to see her.

South Beach Luv 08-18-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684775)
11 out of 12 races on the lawn and suppose to be a beautiful day outside. Throw that in with an open bar and our honorary captain Onebadbeast for the Saturday and it truly is a festival.

If you are handicapping it, make sure you know if they are on the inner or the outer. I am probably just reminding myself though because according to Ateam, no one cares about a million dollar race on the lawn at the most beautiful track on the country.

My open bar will consist of the two pints of Vodka I sneak in my pants pockets

ateamstupid 08-18-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv (Post 684818)
My open bar will consist of the two pints of Vodka I sneak in my pants pockets

:tro: that's my strategy since they banned booze at the Belmont Stakes.

intense 08-18-2010 06:05 PM

PPs

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/sites/a...ps_big%203.pdf

Mike 08-18-2010 11:23 PM

Romacocca can't possibly go off at 20-1, can she?:$:

cakes44 08-19-2010 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 684186)
The Irish one says Wigmore Hall is gonna run huge. It screws up my plans because that makes him an auto use for me, two deep, Wigmore Hall and Paddy O Prado

Why haven't they run him against anyone worth a darn yet?

Another thing that scares me away from that horse...the Jamie Spencer factor. It can never be underestimated.

NTamm1215 08-19-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 684940)
Why haven't they run him against anyone worth a darn yet?

Another thing that scares me away from that horse...the Jamie Spencer factor. It can never be underestimated.

I was thinking the same thing but his trainer said in the DRF article that since he's a gelding, they've been looking for bigger money spots. He also said that if he were to run him in group company his rating would go up and he'd have to carry more weight.

Here's the story: http://www.drf.com/news/gentler-wigm...ng-secretariat

NT

brianwspencer 08-19-2010 03:09 PM

Apparently Rainbow View is out.

?

jwkniska 08-19-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 685052)
Apparently Rainbow View is out.

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tendon injury

jwkniska 08-19-2010 03:38 PM

Marsh Side - OUT (didn't make flight today, so AP assuming scratch)
Rainbow View - OUT (tendon)
Two Notch Road - OUT (102 fever)

Alan07 08-19-2010 03:48 PM

Media Advisory: Late Updates on Saturday’s International Festival


ARLINGTON MILLION ENTRANT MARSH SIDE NOT ON BOARD FLIGHT
Robert Evans’ Marsh Side, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s 28th running of the Arlington Million, was not aboard the equine charter from Southern California earlier this week and is not expected to run although no official scratch card had been filed as of mid-Thursday afternoon.


RAINBOW VIEW SCRATCHED FROM SATURDAY’S BEVERLY D. STAKES
Augustin Stable’s Rainbow View, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s Beverly D. Stakes as the sister race to the Arlington Million, has been scratched out of the upcoming filly-and-mare test due to a tendon injury according to word received Thursday in Arlington’s racing office.


TWO NOTCH ROAD WITHDRAWN FROM SATURDAY’S SECRETARIAT STAKES
James Hackman and Glenn Thompson’s Two Notch Road, entered Tuesday for Saturday’s Secretariat Stakes as the final leg of Arlington’s Mid-America Triple, was never shipped from his Monmouth Park base after coming down with a 102-degree temperature, according to word received in Arlington’s racing office from trainer Thompson.

Scav 08-19-2010 10:44 PM

The Bev D might be the best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington, I'll be using all but Romancaca and Hot Cha Cha.

The Million might be the 2nd best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington. Word is that Gio Ponti doesn't look all that great, and even on the sheets he is one of many. Should have plenty of opportunities to make some scores.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 10:47 PM

Good luck Thomas.

jwkniska 08-19-2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685216)
The Bev D might be the best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington, I'll be using all but Romancaca and Hot Cha Cha.

The Million might be the 2nd best betting race that I have ever seen at Arlington. Word is that Gio Ponti doesn't look all that great, and even on the sheets he is one of many. Should have plenty of opportunities to make some scores.

I hope that means we hit the pick 3, because if GP doesn't win, it should pay a ton better!

Scav 08-19-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 685218)
Good luck Thomas.

Because I'm a busy boy the next 48 hours

7: 2
8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

8: 1,4
9: 1,3,4,6,7,9,10
10: 2,3,4,7,8,9,10

Presses on Paddy

R4 I think Recapturetheglory is a great win bet, should be under the radar with Giant Oak, Gran Estreno, and the one less win Exchanging Kisses.

The rest of the card is better then expected. R1 looks like Catalano and R2 is unbettable.

Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

hockey2315 08-19-2010 11:46 PM

The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:47 PM

I'm tossing Paddy for Jamie Spencer. I'm tossing Gio for a 5 deep spread, and I don't think the Beverly D is that wide open, I'm leaning on Mott and the 1.

Scav 08-19-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 685233)
The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685235)
The only person I listen to in regards to handicapping is Brockguy, he tells me this horse can beat him, so I gotta use him, how much will depend on how they bet the horse.


I might be calling Saturday for live play by play.

NTamm1215 08-19-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 685233)
The more I look the more Paddy just looks like a single.

I'm starting to really like Gypsy's Warning in the Bev D.

I think Debussy is the Euro you want in the Million, but I'll use all three trying to beat Gio, even though I'm a fan.

I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2010 11:59 PM

Goodnight Nickey, Thomas and Brian.

tiggerv 08-20-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 685228)
Last race, I think Tellme All aboutIt could be tough but would use with Catinatree. I also think Surfer Rosa is gonna run a big race. She will be extreme value in the Exacta's and tri's.

Wow, she got the post in Siberia. :mad:

Wigmore Hall is beating older in England so he is obviously talented. He may be up against it with the closing from the clouds style in a short field and one of the speeds scratching. Assuming Kent has Paddy stalking and getting first jump then he should win. I can't single him though.

brockguy 08-20-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 684943)
I was thinking the same thing but his trainer said in the DRF article that since he's a gelding, they've been looking for bigger money spots. He also said that if he were to run him in group company his rating would go up and he'd have to carry more weight.

Here's the story: http://www.drf.com/news/gentler-wigm...ng-secretariat

NT

Michael Bell has gone up ten fold in my eyes by using my favourite phrase "See you next Tuesday"

Wigmore Hall has a great chance - his RPR are a bit lower than I thought they would be, but he is a rapidly improving 3yo and his last run was mightily impressive!*

hockey2315 08-20-2010 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

I think it's pretty futile trying to determine which Euros like what type of ground. . . I also don't think he's off form at all. I give him mild excuses for his last two and neither was a terrible try. He'll save ground sitting right behind Tazeez and the 5 and I'd rather have him than a six-year-old gelding. I'm still using all three, though.

CSC 08-20-2010 07:00 AM

Interesting that Gerald Butler 'the trainer' not actor, onced worked for D Wayne Lukas. Pathattack has a good draw and has all the looks of a dangerous Euro, I'll use both her and Summit Surge in the Million and Bev D.

CSC 08-20-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

Summit Surge needs fast ground, he doesn't like cut in the ground, with 60% chance of precipitation for Sat, hopefully for him if it does rain it will be during the day of the race. There is a big difference from a course that is soaked with rain overnight and a firm course that is exposed to rain during the day of the races, a yielding course can still produce fast times, this is how I judge if a course is truly soft.

brianwspencer 08-20-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 685237)
I don't see Debussy at all. He looks like he wants some cut in the ground and seems a little off form. Tactically I think Tazeez is the best of the Euros by far and he's the one I'm using.

NT

That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

South Beach Luv 08-20-2010 02:40 PM

In for the Aaron Vercruysse long shots tonight on HRTV, they preview the races at 7:30 CST

jwkniska 08-21-2010 06:59 AM

got a little rain overnight, but with rain having moved out for the most part... track will be good, drying out to firm turf as soon as the sun comes out.

PatCummings 08-21-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 685446)
That's completely how I felt looking at the race on paper, but after seeing the pair of them together in the morning the last two days, I'm not quite as sure as I was before. On paper, I don't see how Debussy gets the job done, but oh my, this guy in the mornings....

One word that describes Debussy since settling into Arlington? Swagger.

I've been sucked in by morning work looks before, but totally agree with NTamm. Very few non-accomplished foreign shippers run their career best race in the Arlington Million.

Summit Surge just ran the best race of his career...will he double up? Debussy does not class up to these and was still beaten by Summit Surge last time. Tazeez fits most - his third in the Prince of Wales's was a monster effort in a great race and he gets back to ten furlongs. He'll be the only Euro on my tickets in the race.

CSC 08-21-2010 12:22 PM

1st race in 1:02.04 on yielding-good turf. Not much cut in the ground.

Sightseek 08-21-2010 04:33 PM

Nice win for Mr. D. :)

CSC 08-21-2010 05:13 PM

Summit Surge and Debussy are going off at a nice price, key them to win and over Gio Ponti and you make pick up a slick win/exacta.


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