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RockHardTen1985 04-04-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv (Post 632380)
do you still expect him to be 20-1?

I expect him to be no worse then the 3rd choice, no higher then 7-1, how can he be? He has done nothing wrong in his last 3 and keeps improving, and he is 100% a wise guy horse, especially with Esk, being a heavy favorite now.

South Beach Luv 04-04-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 632381)
I expect him to be no worse then the 3rd choice, no higher then 7-1, how can he be? He has done nothing wrong in his last 3 and keeps improving, and he is 100% a wise guy horse, especially with Esk, being a heavy favorite now.

I'm hoping Odysseus or Dublin can run a huge race next weekend to spread it around even more. 10-1 on SC would be nice.

2Hot4TV 04-04-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 632351)
We all know the class act that is Jill Baffert. I better shut up or maybe Bob will threaten to have the site shut down.

Here is yet another article. After watching the replay, I think she and Gomez have a good point. That was pretty dirt on Espinoza's part.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...fter-big-race/

Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

2Hot4TV 04-04-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 632377)
Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

Are you drinking this early ????????????????:zz::zz::zz:

NTamm1215 04-04-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 632390)
Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

He was in trouble from the start? Didn't he get a horse from the 7 post to the rail? Wasn't he sitting an absolutely perfect trip on the verge of getting a dream run through before Espinoza just decided to close the hole?

Realistically, everyone needs to take a step back on this whole thing. The hysteria is absolutely out of control with this "he was in trouble the whole time" nonsense. The guy saved as much ground as he possibly could and ran into trouble at the worst possible time.

I mean would it have been better for him to give Lookin at Lucky the ride Solis gave Alphie's Bet?

NT

Danzig 04-04-2010 11:25 AM

when a jock hugs the rail and wins, he got a dream trip. when a jock attempts to hug the rail and gets cut off, it's a dumb ride...
i think the issue is more of jocks trying to keep other horses from winning, rather than worrying about the horse they're on. maybe espinoza has seen baileys dvd-at least of the smarty jones belmont?

dalakhani 04-04-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 632390)
Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

Dont get me wrong. It was a dumb ride and he created his own unnecessary drama. It just looked to me like the 3 was done and if that was the case, Victor needed to get out of the way in my opinion.

the_fat_man 04-04-2010 11:26 AM

This is all the result of the infatuation with the INSIDE check by all the PSEUDO trip handicappers. LaL is just not much horse and had no shot of beating SC, who went to his nose at the break, btw, which no one seems to have mentioned. Of course, as there was nothing in the race, the plug certainly should've been 2nd. I can't believe that some people actually want that (typically) opportunistic plug back in the Derby.

As for Gomez: he's ****ed up more races over the past year than just about any (major) jock not named Russell Baze or Patrick Husbands or Victor Espinoza.

Coach Pants 04-04-2010 11:50 AM

Gomez might be on drugs again.

PSH 04-04-2010 11:59 AM

Gomez History
 
Always has seemed to be a high risk/reward type of jockey. I have seen some amazing rides that i believe no one else could have pulled off and i have seen just as many or more high risk rides on horses that should have won like yesterday...... and he gets blocked or he is just way to out of it on closers and runs out of ground

RockHardTen1985 04-04-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 632390)
Gomez was in trouble from the time the gates opened and he should of saved his horse from getting hurt, He was the trouble by expecting the rail to open for him. DUMB A S S. Victor should of pounded his bony a s s for being so stupid.

Trouble? It was a perfect trip gone bad. Andy talks about it all the time, how up to the trouble the trip was PERFECT. This is an example, he tripped out untill Vic went crazy.

RockHardTen1985 04-04-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 632393)
when a jock hugs the rail and wins, he got a dream trip. when a jock attempts to hug the rail and gets cut off, it's a dumb ride...
i think the issue is more of jocks trying to keep other horses from winning, rather than worrying about the horse they're on. maybe espinoza has seen baileys dvd-at least of the smarty jones belmont?

It was a dream trip, up till Vic goes crazy. Why cant it be both?

Rudeboyelvis 04-04-2010 01:01 PM

Regardless of whether saving ground inside was a tactical decision on his part or a complete f -up on his part, will never be known - what seems clear is that he completely disregarded Baffert's instructions (From the LA Daily News):


>>>Replays were inconclusive as to whom was at fault, but Lookin At Lucky's trainer, Bob Baffert, was upset at Gomez and said he gave his colt a "horrendous" ride. The stewards posted the inquiry sign moments after the race and made no change when they ruled the runners involved finished behind Lookin At Lucky.

"I told him to keep (Lookin At Lucky) close, that they were going to go slow, (but) he took him back and he was fighting him, and it was horrendous," Baffert said. "You can't be on the inside on this track. The ride was horrendous.
<<<


And will probably cost him the mount:


>>>Baffert, asked if Gomez would keep the mount on Lookin At Lucky for the Kentucky Derby, was noncommittal.
"I'm not going to talk about that right now," Baffert said. "But I just can't believe he rode him like that. When I saw him on the rail I thought, `What is he doing?' He must not have seen (retired Hall of Fame jockey) Jerry Bailey's tape. I'm going to buy him his DVD."
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http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14817465?source=rss

Danzig 04-04-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 632407)
It was a dream trip, up till Vic goes crazy. Why cant it be both?


lol
garrett gave a good, and then a bad ride in the same race?

Travis Stone 04-04-2010 02:06 PM

I don't think Lookin at Lucky would have caught Sidney's Candy had he been clear anyway. As a result of the check, he'll be bet down more in the Derby than had he run clear and finished second.

2Hot4TV 04-04-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 632406)
Trouble? It was a perfect trip gone bad. Andy talks about it all the time, how up to the trouble the trip was PERFECT. This is an example, he tripped out untill Vic went crazy.

you're right almost, LAL is in tight between horses right after the start and gets squeezed as he lays off the pace to save ground in the first turn and that puts LAL in a position where he never see a path to the outside of the pack and is stuck on the rail to wait for room. It never opened up and even if Gomez had much the best horse he was going to lose, so I beleive he rode a race that he had a greater chance to lose the race than win.

DaTruth 04-04-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 632394)
It just looked to me like the 3 was done and if that was the case, Victor needed to get out of the way in my opinion.

Where was he going to go? He had two horses to his outside at that point, so it wasn't like he could ease up a bit and let him drift outside.

DELL_YOUNT 04-05-2010 07:47 AM

Photos from the 2010 Santa Anita Derby... enjoy!

http://www.network54.com/Forum/36674...ta+Anita+Derby

2Hot4TV 04-05-2010 07:56 AM

Victor gets 3 days for the Santa Anita Derby ride and Gomez is fined 750 for his actions after the race,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Just doesnt seem right from what I saw, but then again maybe the stewards had Looking at Lucky to win.

slotdirt 04-05-2010 08:13 AM

Yeah, I really don't get that one. I'm not sure what they expected Victor to do.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-05-2010 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 632661)
Yeah, I really don't get that one. I'm not sure what they expected Victor to do.

If Gomez doesn't throw a huge hissy fit he gets no days.

randallscott35 04-05-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 632663)
If Gomez doesn't throw a huge hissy fit he gets no days.

It pays to be the king.

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 632377)
Right. I don't want my RETARDS trying to win races (which is hard enough for them) but, rather, I want them to be out there trying to **** with the other RETARDS. ****** demolition/roller derby. Any jock that intentionally hugs the rail on a tiring horse just needs to be fined. There's absolutely no justification for it.

why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

jpops757 04-05-2010 09:01 AM

To me the bigger question is after the trouble did GG drain the tank and eliminate any chance LAL has may1st? It looked to me that Baffert and GG both felt they had much the best horse. Over confidance Doomed GG and the Hard ride after the trouble could cause problems later on.

GenuineRisk 04-05-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632675)
why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

And "pinheads" is insulting to the millions with smaller than average heads.

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 632679)
And "pinheads" is insulting to the millions with smaller than average heads.


(I think it more has to do with the size of the brain, not the head)

GenuineRisk 04-05-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632682)
(I think it more has to do with the size of the brain, not the head)

Einstein's brain was smaller than normal. (Useless but true trivia fact of the day)

(Einstein the person, not the horse. I have no idea how large Einstein the horse's brain is in relation to other horses)

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 632753)
Einstein's brain was smaller than normal. (Useless but true trivia fact of the day)

(Einstein the person, not the horse. I have no idea how large Einstein the horse's brain is in relation to other horses)

didnt he use like 10% of his brain though, where us normal people use like 4% and jockeys use like 0.01% ???

the_fat_man 04-05-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632675)
why do you have to use the R word so much? Pin head works for jockeys. The other word is insulting to the millions with disabilities.

It's the only way that what jockeys do makes sense to me. This way, I will always be able to give them the benefit of the doubt. :rolleyes:

the_fat_man 04-05-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 632661)
Yeah, I really don't get that one. I'm not sure what they expected Victor to do.

Jocks have a problem going into the turn without coming in. In most cases this is just a result of careless riding, not the ability to properly handle a horse. There are multiple cases daily where a horse gets pinched on the turn because a horse (or horses) to its outside came in while taking the turn and took its path. This is just about the most dangerous situation you can have in racing. Anytime the stewards act in these cases is a positive day for racing. Last thing we need is for jocks to be afraid to save ground. I'm not that big on jocks keeping in their lane in the stretch but they absolutely need to do so while on the turn. Failure to do so, and thus putting someone in danger, should be punished.

This can be spun any way one wants but the apparent lack of understanding in this case by racing fans pretty much speaks to the overall lack of understanding of the game. Can't improve things when the fans are clueless.

westcoastinvader 04-05-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DELL_YOUNT (Post 632646)
Photos from the 2010 Santa Anita Derby... enjoy!

http://www.network54.com/Forum/36674...ta+Anita+Derby


Thanks DELL YOUNT. Nice photos to relive the day by.

You caught me at the paddock fence. I'm the guy in the white hat and white jacket on the left of the horses on the fence near where the first flower row ends. Yep, it's sort of like "Where's Waldo."


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