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-BT- 02-22-2010 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Reguardless, Babcock is in a no win situation. Anything less than a gold on home soil would be considered a dissapointment anyway. But you would think that Yzerman would have shouldered most of the blame. Now there is a major decision that has to be made and all of Canada will second guess and look to hang Babcock if they fall short of the Gold. Personally I would stay with Marty.

Funny you mention Doughty. I really like the kid, but is it me or did it seem he was on the ice the entire game (especially in the 3rd period)?
and he was their swing man on the point on PP as well, he had to log the most ice time for all defencemen.

as far as who's to blame, its gonna fall directly on Yzerman, could have told you that when he made his final roster. To bring guys like pronger back for another go around, you knew there was gonna be hell to pay if they didn't win gold. To bad a lot of peoples judgement is clouded and they cant come to grips with benching a HOF goalie, all the while its the right thing to do.

-bt-

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-22-2010 01:27 PM
great games yesterday..the russians have no powerplay..the usa needs to avoid canada as long as possible. if they have to meet again im not sure they could win.

MaTH716 02-22-2010 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
great games yesterday..the russians have no powerplay..the usa needs to avoid canada as long as possible. if they have to meet again im not sure they could win.
Ya right.......The unit I saw out on the ice was, Maxim Afinogenov, Ilya Kovalchuk, Evgeni Malkin, Sergei Gonchar and oh yeah Alexander Ovechkin.

That's one horrendous group.
:rolleyes:

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-22-2010 01:44 PM
not what i saw they have talent but for 3/4 of it they couldent get a shot off
now this was in the russia/chz game..

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-22-2010 01:45 PM
and really think the american team is gonna keep it going..they were freaking great last night.. hitting/hustle..
also wierd seeing kane/toews not on the same side.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-22-2010 02:02 PM
usa woman in 10 min..if you get s.i. great piece on the two sisters..

MaTH716 02-22-2010 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
not what i saw they have talent but for 3/4 of it they couldent get a shot off
now this was in the russia/chz game..
Even if they were 0 for 50, I would still take my chances with that group every time.

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
and really think the american team is gonna keep it going..they were freaking great last night.. hitting/hustle..
also wierd seeing kane/toews not on the same side.
As good as they played, it just seemed that the ice was tilted many times last night (especially in the last 2 minutes). They are a physical team, but like BT said they seem slow. Sure they can go far, but they are going to need more huge performances like last night from Miller. I think they will end up with a medal, but probably not gold.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-22-2010 02:14 PM
funny to see prongers goon ass..i agree matt ovechkins breakaway was unreal speed..jagr is just ok seems like the usa has less pros on it.does it?

MaTH716 02-22-2010 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
funny to see prongers goon ass..i agree matt ovechkins breakaway was unreal speed..jagr is just ok seems like the usa has less pros on it.does it?
My take is Ovie is the best player in the league right now. There is no one on his level. He might go on to be one of the greats of all time. I have never seen a player with the combonation of skills that he has, he is truely amazing.

Jagr is still good but well past his prime.

As far as the US goes, they are just a very solid young blue collar team. Many of them are grinder types and they don't get the all star bids like the sniper/scorer types that seems to fill the rosters of the other powerhouses. It's like the whole team is a collection of 3rd liners. But this isn't a popularity contest either and the US guys are playing hard every shift. But they better tighten up on defense, or they are going to be in trouble.

Danzig 02-22-2010 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I don't know about that, 2 of the goals were deflected in and one was off a mad scramble in front (that Marty actually created). And this comes from a person who despises Marty. I would love nothing more then for Babcock to do the unthinkable and put Luongo in. You would think that it would be the ultimate slap in the face for the guy who might go down as the greatest ever (as painful as it is for me to say).
I do think that since he is allowed to handle the puck more (because of olympic rules), actually hurts him because it's something he doesn't get to do anymore and he is excellent at it. But he does it so much that, it seemed last night he was always scrambling trying to get back into position and I believe it cost him on at least one goal.
I not a big Emrick fan either, but I think him and Eddie O did a good job last night. I enjoyed the game/telecast very much (but the outcome probably had a big thing to do with that). Also for the most part last night except for the late penalty against the U.S., the refs did a good job letting them play.
yeah, i thought that late call was bogus.
as for brodeur, i don't know if i agree or disagree, i just know that some said he should have come out.

Danzig 02-22-2010 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Darren, I was actually defending Marty. I don't think a goaltending change is warrented. I was responding to Dani's take on Marty's performance. Like I said, I think you can only fault him on one, maybe two of the goals.

it wasn't my take! lol i thought he did well to cut off the shots he did.

hockey2315 02-22-2010 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
My take is Ovie is the best player in the league right now. There is no one on his level. He might go on to be one of the greats of all time. I have never seen a player with the combonation of skills that he has, he is truely amazing.
You're right. . . Crosby isn't really on his level despite what many say.

I thought the big game last night was pretty good, but not worthy of the reaction of many. Nothing particularly significant was at stake and it was pros vs. pros. . .

Apparently Canada's benching Marty. . . Not sure I agree with that.

The Bid 02-22-2010 04:16 PM
Benching the best goalie to ever breath off one uncharacteristically bad game. I think they will be sorry but not tomorrow against the Germans

steve 02-22-2010 06:55 PM
passion over expectation

rpncaine 02-22-2010 07:53 PM
Exactly...surely you've all seen "Hoosiers"...

MaTH716 02-22-2010 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
it wasn't my take! lol i thought he did well to cut off the shots he did.
My bad D, I read your original post wrong. I apoligize.

-BT- 02-23-2010 06:54 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/van...v=ap&type=lgns

now the canadians can blame luigi and not marty, b/c the blame surely wont fall on the players

-bt-

Danzig 02-23-2010 09:05 AM
why isn't marc andre fleury getting the start?


as for the best player out there...i've been watching hockey since the caps started 35 years ago. i've never seen a player like ovechkin. he is a thrill to watch. you never know what he's going to do. hell, they broke his nose a few years back. what did he do? just score four goals that night.

The Bid 02-23-2010 10:12 AM
You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.

MaTH716 02-23-2010 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.
I actually think that Bondra and Gartner were much better than Dino. But I let Dani pass the final judgement based on the fact that she's the Caps fan.

Hunter is on my list of top 5 scumbags that have ever played the game.

ddthetide 02-23-2010 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.
just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!

Danzig 02-23-2010 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.
yeah, i remember pete peters. but my favorite caps goalie ever is olaf kolzig. dino was a fan fave as well, never cared much for hunter. best caps player tho for years-rod langway. mike gartner was awesome as well-they retired his number, something i don't see happening with dino. i think everyone's favorite tho was peter bondra. i've seen him in the stands at a few games this year.
but ovechkin is simply amazing. if i had to use one word to describe him, it would be 'fearless'. that hit on jagr (former cap for a bit, would love to see him come back to the nhl-and bring federov with him!) the other day was incredible. guys have said jagr is and has been the hardest guy to get off a puck-alex made it look easy.
his goal (and the play he made to get the scoring opporunity) against montreal last year was amazing-but 'the goal' he got vs phoenix-you have to see it to believe it.

Danzig 02-23-2010 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!

maybe just for tonite? i can see giving him a breather vs germany. if it's a true benching, they're making a mistake similar to russia pulling their goalie after 1 pd vs the miraculous u.s. kids.

Bigsmc 02-23-2010 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!
My German co-worker assures me that Canada could be Germany with me in the net.

The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?

Danzig 02-23-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
My German co-worker assures me that Canada could be Germany with me in the net.

The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?
yeah, germany should be a pushover...but then again, canada did go to a shootout the other day vs a pushover. this game matters, i don't agree with their decision at all. it could be a good game for brodeur to get some nice saves and build some confidence. now, they've just embarrassed him and probably pissed him off.

The Bid 02-23-2010 11:32 AM
The Swiss played 2 really good games against Canada and USA. They are really improving and much better than the Germans

I liked bondra and langway both. Hatcher and those guys were fun to watch. I think Dino number would be retired w Minnesota, now Dallas? He deserves it retired somewhere.

I always liked Pete peters. Olie the goalie wa good for a short stretch and had that incredible playoff run

MaTH716 02-23-2010 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
maybe just for tonite? i can see giving him a breather vs germany. if it's a true benching, they're making a mistake similar to russia pulling their goalie after 1 pd vs the miraculous u.s. kids.
I really think you're going a bit overboard.

You can't compare Roberto Luongo vs Vladimir Myshkin. I personally don't like the move, but it's not because Luongo is not a good goalie. I would just take my chances with the first ballot hall of famer, who is still playing at a very high level (but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it).

You would think that they will thrash Germany and then it will become even tougher to pull Luongo in favor of going back to Marty. Unless he plays poorly, he's his show to lose.

-BT- 02-23-2010 11:38 AM
be shocked if marty hasn't played his last olympic game. Hurt feelings or not, this team needs to medal


** more on the capitals of old later :D

-bt-

3kings 02-23-2010 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?
I read this morning that Babcock said the goalie change is for the rest of the Olympics (sorry no link:o ). He said if he had to make a change now in single elimination it would probably be to late.

The Bid 02-23-2010 12:28 PM
Babcock will be watching the playoffs this year. He's really not a top tier coach at all. W/ detroits firepower there's noway those guys are outside looking in. Also noway you bench best goalie to ever live in favor of loungo. He's a good goalie but he's no broduer that's for damn sure

Danzig 02-23-2010 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I really think you're going a bit overboard.

You can't compare Roberto Luongo vs Vladimir Myshkin. I personally don't like the move, but it's not because Luongo is not a good goalie. I would just take my chances with the first ballot hall of famer, who is still playing at a very high level (but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it).

You would think that they will thrash Germany and then it will become even tougher to pull Luongo in favor of going back to Marty. Unless he plays poorly, he's his show to lose.
i'm not saying it's similar based on the talent of the goalies who were pulled then and now, and on who they're replacing. i'm saying it could have similar results and is a knee jerk reaction, just like that was back then. the russian coach was mad, and acted in anger. luongo obviously is skilled, else they wouldn't have chosen him for the team.

MaTH716 02-23-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm not saying it's similar based on the talent of the goalies who were pulled then and now, and on who they're replacing. i'm saying it could have similar results and is a knee jerk reaction, just like that was back then. the russian coach was mad, and acted in anger. luongo obviously is skilled, else they wouldn't have chosen him for the team.
But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).

-BT- 02-23-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).

EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan :D

MaTH716 02-23-2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by -BT-
EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan :D
No love for Rick Tabaracci?

Heels1989 02-23-2010 01:29 PM
Or Jim Hrivnak? :D

ddthetide 02-23-2010 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Babcock will be watching the playoffs this year. He's really not a top tier coach at all. W/ detroits firepower there's noway those guys are outside looking in. Also noway you bench best goalie to ever live in favor of loungo. He's a good goalie but he's no broduer that's for damn sure
ok the technical explanation i heard.
MB is a stand up goalie. all the goals he's given up have been along the ice, because the defense is allowing to much traffic in front of him.
luongo is a butterfly goalie so he handles the low shots better and the traffic will bother him less.

now in my mind, it stands to reason opponents will start to shoot high?
it sounds to me like they need to play better defense and clear the traffic from the crease?

Danzig 02-23-2010 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).
very true!
i just think if you have brodeur, you use him.


but i do think it's a reaction. you can't change up lines, can't fire the coach. seems marty is getting the blame for the loss. but, i don't care much for MB (due to his off ice shenanigans) so i don't feel too bad for him.

Danzig 02-23-2010 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by -BT-
EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan :D

did you see that the caps selected bengt gustaffsons boy in the draft last fall? hard to believe he's old enough to have a son old enough to play!! i remember michael pivonka...beaupre. hell, i still call it the cap center-and it's not even the same place anymore, let alone called the cap center.

so nice to have others who remember those guys. no one i know down here does. seems the only person i can really talk hockey with about back then is my dad. remember clint malarchuk? he got traded away and then had that ghastly accident on the ice. ugh

brianwspencer 02-23-2010 08:09 PM
Don Beaupre was the **** in NHL '94.

GPK 02-23-2010 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Don Beaupre was the **** in NHL '94.
I will take Teemu Selanne from NHL '92 over any of them. He was unstoppable on that game :D


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