He is part of the trifecta that I really believe would be better off dead or in prison..Rumsfeld, Cheney and Ashcroft. Bush was a moron, Limbaugh is brilliant, but these three were pure evil.

Considering it's the Washingon POST, I give them credit for not blaming Obama, but Bush..which I'm not sure even I agree with

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

i didn't get anything out of the article that held either of them to blame. seems more a case of too many folks in the mix, but not many of them sharing info or connecting the dots.
i expect napolitano to get the lions share of the blame here, rightly or not. i remember when haig was shown the door for saying he was 'in charge here at the white house' right after reagan was shot. napolitano is taking a lot of heat for saying the system worked-which it obviously did not.

I understand your comparison, but don't think it's quite equal. I agree she made a stupid comment, but Haig wanted to become Prez and Janet just was trying to do damage control, albeit very badly

not suggesting it's equal, but i have seen where more people are calling for her to step down-that she's in over her head. and as in haigs case, i don't think things will quiet down til she goes.

Cheney should just shut his face at this point



Or maybe he just enjoys continually making an ass out of himself in public...

Cheney speaks the truth, sometimes it hurts but it needed to be said. The Obama administrations whole approach is to treat all of these incidents as isolated loners, not connected to any wider conspiracy. they seem to not have a coherent strategy other than to downplay every event and then blame Bush.
this is what happens when you elect an inexperienced self-absorbed president in training wheels who appoints similar incompetent people to key positions.

they have now got a major problem on their hands that they've divulged all the info about the CIA deaths to the public. believe it or not the CIA likes to operate in a clandestine manner. another big win for al qaeda and a bigger recruiting tool than gitmo ever was.

Can you support a claim like this with some form of an argument. I don't think it's too much to ask.

Until some other group consistently misbehaves against us, it would be terrific if only Moslems would be inconvenienced by invasive searches etc. Unfortunately, Islam is a Dog-Sht Religion. It is not a specific race of people.

WTF is getting rid of her gunna do? As we've seen repeatedly on here, Americans are simply not willing to get tough on Islam. They refuse to take the basics of that religion seriously. Fact is this waste killing our people is simply following their religion (as their con-man prophet set it up.) They shouldn't be allowed at all to come here. Until we declare that Moslems are unwelcome here, we will continue to be their btch. Oh, you think that's extreme? Tell me, don't you think freedom of the press is a highly cherished American value? Well, very few Moslems respect that value.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100102/...ark_cartoonist

It wasn't a few extreme Moslems that wanted to kill this guy. It was the majority. I don't want a cartoonist to fear for his life because of these people refusing to respect the freedom of the press. You want to have cartoonists hiding in fear like this? I don't. I don't want Moslems here. They have dog sht values. Look at the basics their prophet set up. Nobody that follows that bullsht is a friend of America. There is no way that someone can follow that prophet's teachings, and also respect American values. They will only pretend to do it. We deserve better. Americans, right now, are like battered women. They keep taking this filth back. Well, this filth will never change their ways. They will never be your friend. They will pretend to do so until the time comes for them to be themselves. Make fun of me, if it makes you feel better, but then read the basics of what their prophet set down for them to follow. You'll see it's incompatible with our way of life. We don't need to change our ways. They want to stay f'd up, then so be it. They need to do it somewhere else. They don't want us in their countries, and we shouldn't be happy to have them here. They don't share our goals for this country. Tell me, Zig, where is the outrage from these dog sht Muslim countries? They outraged that a fellow Moslem tried to kill all these innocent people? Uh, no!! It would be a false display. They do not value the lives of non-believers. This is just not a priority for them. I repeat, their values are sht.

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

wtf is getting rid of her going to do? probably nothing. but in instances like this, people demand a sacrifice, and right or wrong, she'll be it. it won't solve a problem. it's my opinion that posts like this are largely highly paid, and ceremonial-with the assistants doing all the actual grunt work.

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

This Presidents' inaction has caused the terrorists to be emboldened by the "sleeping giant" not slapping them down, or broadcasting their planned offensives,for instance.

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

What particular, "every events then blame Bush" are you talking about? "all these incidents" - please, tell the specific incidents you are referring to, show us where this administration came out that the people in question were loners? Or blamed Bush for them?

Because the killing and capture of terrorists I listed doesn't fall into the parameters of your assertions in the least. Neither does anything I've seen this administration do to date. So you'll have to be specific and point it out.

The Obama administration is doing exactly what was promised regarding changing the Bush strategy (was there one?) of pursuing terrorists, and doing it aggressively and with results. They are targeting specifically Al Quaeda - and doing what is needed: getting out of the quagmire of Iraq (why are we there again?), increasing pursuit of specific Al Quaeda where they are, in Afghanistan & Pakistan (using unmanned drones and manned missions), Somalia, and keeping an eye on Yemen.

He's already had better results than Bush has in the past five years. You, too, are free to show that my assertion is wrong with some facts.

BTW, Dick Cheney is a cold-blooded liar, a torturer, and showed no respect for our Constitution.

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

Nonsense. There's been plenty of action, on several fronts. Obama took out the biggest, most feared Al Quaeda guy in Somalia.

Pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality go away.

I tend to stay away from the political threads. I read a lot of them but it's a horsie board so I just don't like getting into it.

This though... this is one of the funniest God damned posts evah! :tro:

yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i meant. :zz: :rolleyes:

dont bother..she is at the bottom of the drain pan..her stand is allways obama the great bush sucks..she is clueless as to what really happens in
u.s intel .. guess o.b missed the ones that just killed 100 at a soccer match..they gave those guys milk and cookies wile they got the exit interview
at gitmo..

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

Do you have some high level security clearance? If you don't your assertions are complete fabrications. Why we have to "prove" your made up stories are false is ridiclous. You should provide some real evidence that backs your claims, not just a few links to a couple of news stories about drones killing some guy in Pakistan. If your assertions were true than it should be easy to prove. I'm sure the WH would love to be bragging about all these victories in the War on terror yet they seem to be pretty quiet except defending themselves from the recent security screwups. You used to at least provide flawed or misleading data (or WH press releases) as evidence. now you just throw **** against the wall and dare us to disagree.

What in the world are you talking about? If you read those links and came to the conclusion that you did means you are either drunk or didn't understand what was stated. I mean you arent even in the same ballpark of what they were saying. If you didnt read the links then perhaps you should, to at least form a serious reply because your current one comes out of left field (pardon the pun)

What did he do? Hit him over the head repeatedly with the bully pulpit?

I didnt know Obama was personally knocking guys off. Wow. Didn't think he had it in him...

Your vague personal insults are great, but it's hard to top, "Obama is the antichrist" as your most intelligent contribution to date.

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

LOL. No, Chuck, I am talking about exactly what I posted, Obama's public record of success going after Al Quaeda in multiple countries, and domestic terrorists. He's done a good job for just his first year.

Yeah, our guys are just in Yemen, Africa, Pakistan on their own, not under any orders from the current President of the United States to seek out certain AQ terrorists and kill them.

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

and you would know intelligent how?..keep thinking that obama is more than a slick talking black lawyer from chicago. hes not... he does not have the brains too even run a mcdonalds let alone a country..tards like you elected
him.. now we all will have to suffer..but in 3 years hes gone..till then
keep swinging on his nutz..

Really don't like that "black" part, do ya?

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

What makes you believe that Obama has done such a bangup job? What exactly has changed and how would you really know anyway?

You wasted an insult. No, it's not Bush's fault at all that Al Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa. But Bush didn't pursue them aggressively there, Obama is.

Give me a break. You are just trying to steer the topic off of your statement. No one said that Bush and co had a perfect record. Truthfull what they should have done was get all the info they could out of the detainees and sent them home.


In caskets.

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.

He is black isn't he? Or at least half black.

As I said, things like aggressively pursuing and taking out very important AQ in Somalia, Pakistan, etc.

Just going by what's public knowledge. Where Bush pursed AQ and how, versus where Obama is pursuing AQ, and how.

Al-Queda has been in these places long before Bush took office. Perhaps you are thinking that we are making an impact in these regions. I don't have the faintest idea why.