Stardom Bound??? I was expecting 10 G1 wins in a row but she only got 5 in a row ---> complete failure. Winning 5 Grade 1's in a row is so overrated

I think First Samurai should be on this list.

Really?

Are you taunting Byk on his post about banning you?

French Deputy

who was favored in that 95 derby?

I think the Timber Country/Serena's Song entry...

To feed or not to feed, That is the question

Houston.....for what they paid for him, tops my list

Great call on that one.

He started out like he was worth a lot more than what they paid for him.

A debut win by over 12 in July at Belmont.

A four month layoff where he has only one work before his comeback, and he beats Sunday Silence by a head.

Then another almost four month layoff, where he comes back to beat Mr. Nickerson by over 10 in a stakes at AQU. Then the wheels fell off.

Though, his derby race wasn't that bad, he was never the same after that race at AQU.

If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.

"Never panned out..." Hmmm. There's a precise evaluation. Do you know anything about his three year old year?

Did I say the correct horse? Im talking about Frank Brothers.... He got beat in the Gulfstream race, his 3yr old debut, Keyed Entry beat him. Then he got put up by DQ, Corinthian shifted in bad on him in another Gulfstream race, then he ran like **** at Keeneland, that was the day Sinister Minister freaked.
If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.

Oh. Now we at least understand what happened to him.

In his three year old debut, he dueled with Keyed Entry in the Hutcheson over a sea of slop and was beaten a length as they both broke the 7.5f track record, the winner lowering it to 1:27.0. In retrospect, Brothers agrees that he probably should have scratched that day. First Samurai was a big heavy horse that was tough to keep sound, and he pounded down to the hard Gulfstream base that day with every step.

Much like Read the Footnotes and Second of June after their epic Fountain of Youth 2 years earlier, First Samurai and Keyed Entry were both never the same after that Hutcheson... Samurai came back in the Fountain of Youth a month later and was put up as the winner after Corinthean's mauling of him. Then in the Blue Grass, he was hit by the gate which broke 2 of his ribs.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...th-broken-ribs

He was retired about 6 weeks later having won 5 of 8 career starts including the Fountain, Hopeful and Champagne, the 2nd in the Hutch and the 3rd behind Stevie Wonderboy/Henny Hughes in the BC Juvenile.

Warriors Reward?

I don't understand why an injury= failure on some of the ones mentioned. Pulpit was a monster who according to you "disappointed" in winning the Bluegrass before an injury ended his career in running 4th in the Derby behind Silver Charm.

Tell me again why Empire Maker disappointed. The foot issue likely cost him the Derby, but that race was between a double digit length win in the Florida Derby and a Belmont win. That's not a failure. Injuries cost him a chance to prove what he may have ultimately been capable of doing, but again it's not a failure.

Basically the list here is of great juveniles that didn't develop further or had careers interrupted by injuries....

Thanks to Ernie Paragallo, UNBRIDLED'S SONG

You are getting hung up on semantics here.

:zz:

Mister Frisky

Bellamy Road deserves a mention also.

I don't know... Why? He delivered one of the great, if not the greatest, Derby prep performances ever in the Wood win, fractured a bone in the Derby and was basically finished.

Doug's premise is more horses that kept running and just never capitalized on their previously displayed talent. The injury aspect in this discussion is paramount because it's the fastest horses, and horses who stress themselves with enormous effort, that typically get hurt...

Steve, the derby was a dissapointment admittidely and the injury is a justifiable reason, I thought the Travers would have been the race where he could redeem himself, he did run a good second to Flower Alley. But perhaps unfairly so he was so hyped after that 120 beyer in the Wood Memorial that he would always run in the shadow of that race and anything less would be a dissapointment to some.

A disappointment if you don't understand what happened in that Derby...

I thought the Travers was the race where Bellamy Road did prove he was a good horse.

I don't think Badge of Silver should be on this list.

NT

What do you mean SS, please explain.

He popped a splint after the derby in training, I remember him having a few physical issues.

Bellamy Road Pops Splint
Updated: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:20 PM
Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:35 PM
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Bellamy Road, who finished seventh in the Kentucky Derby (gr. I) as the 5-2 favorite, popped a splint Tuesday morning in his left front leg and will miss at least 30 days of training.
The Wood Memorial (gr. I) winner, owned by George Steinbrenner's Kinsman Stable, will obviously miss the final two legs of the Triple Crown, the May 21 Preakness (gr. I) and June 11 Belmont Stakes (gr. I).

"He probably had a blind splint going in to the Derby and it was the Derby that aggravated it," trainer Nick Zito said Tuesday. "There is no doubt you will see the real Bellamy Road again."

Good horse yes, great? I don't know.

So he was a good failure?

That's perfectly fine because this whole discussion is subjective.

NT

Great game huh? Everything we converse about on here is somewhat subjective, opinions....Good, bad and everything in between.

TG's point is not one of semantics. There are two different categories here. First are horses that were hurt and never able to prove or disporove the validity of the early talent shown, like Pulpit. Second are horses that had complete careers while never attaining the heights that their early promise would lead to to believe they would.

I don't think he does because I think most anyone would know that Wood was a fluke. That race was so far outside of his norm that I don't see how anyone could believe that he should ever be able to do it again. Not saying the performance wasn't real because it was. But just like Sleepy Floyd once put up 51 on the Lakers and that was real, you don't ever expect to see him do it again. It was just one of those magical days when everything came together perfectly for him.

Not enough to go on IMO(2 races afterward) to say that for sure, I can understand your position but that was a very good race he did run in the Wood.

It was a good race but he had enough of an established history before that race to make me think the Wood was a one-time thing. I've seen too many times where a lone speed horse gets out there on their own and some fluky result comes up. One Dreamer comes to mind. If he had been running anywhere close to that beforehand, it would be different. But I think his best Beyer before that race was a 96 and all of a sudden, he's 120 and that should be expected again? Not by me.

Millenium Wind is another in the Bluegrass, 111 off the top of my head. That's the influence of Beyers, Cigar was consistent & honest as they come but he never hit the 120 mark I believe. I doubt anyone here would call him a slug or that Bellamy Road was better than him.

I really dont know what else this horse was supposed to do with all the injuries and such.

Winning 2 races in a row woulda been nice.

How about Lion Heart?

In the same vein as Afternoon Deelites and Favorite Trick, though injury shortened his career.

A name popped up in my head that no one has mentioned yet, Dollar Bill...not sure about the projected greatness part and he did retire a millionaire, but he was certainly a dissapointment as a racehorse.