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Coach Pants 10-05-2009 05:53 PM

Julio Jones has been in a coma and they are still undefeated. If the sleeping giant wakes up it is over for the competition.

ddthetide 10-05-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
tebow will play. "they" say he's feeling fine.. no headache's.. have a feeling FL will play this one out til gametime so LSU has to prepare for two VERY different QB's.

it's not total UM's call. the doctors have most of the say in this and if he can't practice he won't play.

ddthetide 10-05-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
don't forget Miami beat OU without their starting QB


every week in college fb brings suprises and

i just don't believe that this 'bama team will go undeafeated , they can still win a bcs title in jan , but i don't think they go unbeaten , better to get the loss out early than late ---we shall see

i said this week would be a loss before the season started. ole miss will play like the #1 team in the country this saturday. the Bama defense is a bit out wack. they gave up a lot of yards last week to uk, that could translate to points for ole miss.

ddthetide 10-05-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Julio Jones has been in a coma and they are still undefeated. If the sleeping giant wakes up it is over for the competition.

JJ is Not doing a good job at working to get open. so far teams are playing over-under zone on him but the OC does need to do a better job of getting him involved. i do like they way GMc spreads the ball around.

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
don't forget Miami beat OU without their starting QB


every week in college fb brings suprises and

i just don't believe that this 'bama team will go undeafeated , they can still win a bcs title in jan , but i don't think they go unbeaten , better to get the loss out early than late ---we shall see

Yes, OU had to play with some bum that took all the way until his second start until he set the school record for TD passes in a game. If he had any talent he would have done it in his first start.

Whether I believe Florida would beat Alabama is irrelevant. I think rankings should be based on what you have done so far, not on what I speculate you could do. And after last weeks results I think Alabama now has the superior resume and should be #1. If Florida wins at LSU this week then they'll have the stronger resume and go back on top. The biggest problem with rankings is people get too focused on where they had a team ranked last week instead of objectively looking at the big picture again every week.

ddthetide 10-06-2009 11:51 AM

i don't think there should be any rankings at all until the middle of october.

horseofcourse 10-06-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i don't think there should be any rankings at all until the middle of october.

why not just go for it all and not rank anyone until the regular season and conference championship games are over?? That would solve everything!!
:D

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i don't think there should be any rankings at all until the middle of october.

I like rankings cause I could have paid no attention to college football all year and would see #1 Florida at #4 LSU and know it is a huge game. What I don't like is that the pollsters pay too much attention to where they had teams ranked the previous week. They should re-evaluate every team every week instead of just leaving everyone in order except the teams that lost the last week.

horseofcourse 10-06-2009 12:36 PM

1. Florida
2. Boise State
3. LSU
4. Alabama
5. Cincinnati
6. TCU
7. Auburn
8. South Florida
9. Kansas
10. Iowa

timmgirvan 10-06-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
why not just go for it all and not rank anyone until the regular season and conference championship games are over?? That would solve everything!!
:D

what would we have to talk and bitch about??:eek:

King Glorious 10-06-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I like rankings cause I could have paid no attention to college football all year and would see #1 Florida at #4 LSU and know it is a huge game. What I don't like is that the pollsters pay too much attention to where they had teams ranked the previous week. They should re-evaluate every team every week instead of just leaving everyone in order except the teams that lost the last week.

You can't know it's a huge game by the rankings. Look at Cal. Two Saturday's ago, they were ranked top five in the country. If the Oregon and USC games had been switched around on the calender, it would have looked like a big game. Now, Cal has been blown out 72-6 in back to back games and can't even get a vote for top 25. The rankings would make you think Florida vs. Boise St. is a huge game but realistically, Florida would be favored by 25 in such a matchup.

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
You can't know it's a huge game by the rankings. Look at Cal. Two Saturday's ago, they were ranked top five in the country. If the Oregon and USC games had been switched around on the calender, it would have looked like a big game. Now, Cal has been blown out 72-6 in back to back games and can't even get a vote for top 25. The rankings would make you think Florida vs. Boise St. is a huge game but realistically, Florida would be favored by 25 in such a matchup.

They aren't always going to be right, but at least I know it is a big game going in. Opening game in the NFL was Tennessee-Pittsburgh which was a big game at the time. The fact that Pittsburgh is now 2-2 and Tennessee is 0-4 doesn't suddenly take away from my enjoyment of watching the game at the time. It just means I wouldn't be as excited if they played again now.

King Glorious 10-06-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
They aren't always going to be right, but at least I know it is a big game going in. Opening game in the NFL was Tennessee-Pittsburgh which was a big game at the time. The fact that Pittsburgh is now 2-2 and Tennessee is 0-4 doesn't suddenly take away from my enjoyment of watching the game at the time. It just means I wouldn't be as excited if they played again now.

I don't pay attention to the rankings when looking at a game to determine if it's a big game. Florida vs. LSU would be a big game if they were ranked #25 and #30. It would be a bigger game to me than watching #1 BYU vs. #5 TCU. Oklahoma is #19 now. When they get Bradford back and play Texas on 10/17, that's going to be a big game no matter the ranking.

My current Top 10 would be:
Texas
Florida
Alabama
Va. Tech
Miami
USC
Oregon
LSU
Ohio St.
Oklahoma

Crown@club 10-06-2009 12:49 PM

I Remember in the 80's, some columnist from Chicago used to ahve his weekly rankings. He would flip-flop Kansas-Kansas St each week at the top and the rest of the rankings went to whatever conference he picked on that week. So keeping up with tradition, I'm going to go.

1) Washington St
2) Illinois
3) Purdue
4) Indiana
5) Northwestern
6) Minnesota
7) Tie Michigan St, Michigan, Notre Dame
10) Tie Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn St, Ohio St.

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't pay attention to the rankings when looking at a game to determine if it's a big game. Florida vs. LSU would be a big game if they were ranked #25 and #30. It would be a bigger game to me than watching #1 BYU vs. #5 TCU. Oklahoma is #19 now. When they get Bradford back and play Texas on 10/17, that's going to be a big game no matter the ranking.

My current Top 10 would be:
Texas
Florida
Alabama
Va. Tech
Miami
USC
Oregon
LSU
Ohio St.
Oklahoma

Of course we know which games are big without having to look at the rankings, rankings aren't necessary for people who actually follow the sport. My point was that I could know a game was a big deal when I see #1 and #4 play even if I hadn't followed college football at all. That is why rankings exist, to draw in fans that might not know what is going on but that know #1 against #4 is a big deal.

King Glorious 10-06-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Of course we know which games are big without having to look at the rankings, rankings aren't necessary for people who actually follow the sport. My point was that I could know a game was a big deal when I see #1 and #4 play even if I hadn't followed college football at all. That is why rankings exist, to draw in fans that might not know what is going on but that know #1 against #4 is a big deal.

But how would #1 Florida vs. #5 Boise St. be a big deal to anyone when Florida would be favored by 25?

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
But how would #1 Florida vs. #5 Boise St. be a big deal to anyone when Florida would be favored by 25?

That game would be a bigger deal to me than any matchup you could put together this season. And there is no way Florida would be favored by 25 points. In Boise the spread would be close.

King Glorious 10-06-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
That game would be a bigger deal to me than any matchup you could put together this season. And there is no way Florida would be favored by 25 points. In Boise the spread would be close.

Florida would crush them. I'd think Florida/Alabama or Oklahoma/Texas or USC/Oregon would be bigger deals than Boise St. vs. anyone.

SniperSB23 10-06-2009 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Florida would crush them. I'd think Florida/Alabama or Oklahoma/Texas or USC/Oregon would be bigger deals than Boise St. vs. anyone.

It would be a better game then you are giving it credit for and the underdog story would have people interested. And the spread would not be anywhere near 25 points.

dalakhani 10-06-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
It would be a better game then you are giving it credit for and the underdog story would have people interested. And the spread would not be anywhere near 25 points.

the spread would be double figures any way you cut it. At least 2 touchdowns.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
the spread would be double figures any way you cut it. At least 2 touchdowns.

What does it matter, FL will never schedule them

ddthetide 10-06-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Florida would crush them. I'd think Florida/Alabama or Oklahoma/Texas or USC/Oregon would be bigger deals than Boise St. vs. anyone.

not if the game was on the "smurf turf" the spread would be lower too.

King Glorious 10-06-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
not if the game was on the "smurf turf" the spread would be lower too.

They could play that game anywhere on anything. Boise State wouldn't get close to Florida.

dalakhani 10-06-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
They could play that game anywhere on anything. Boise State wouldn't get close to Florida.

Agreed. That is a totally different class of horse.

gales0678 10-06-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Yes, OU had to play with some bum that took all the way until his second start until he set the school record for TD passes in a game. If he had any talent he would have done it in his first start.

Whether I believe Florida would beat Alabama is irrelevant. I think rankings should be based on what you have done so far, not on what I speculate you could do. And after last weeks results I think Alabama now has the superior resume and should be #1. If Florida wins at LSU this week then they'll have the stronger resume and go back on top. The biggest problem with rankings is people get too focused on where they had a team ranked last week instead of objectively looking at the big picture again every week.


who in the country goes in and wins in blacksburgh in those wet windy conditions? maybe 1 or 2 teams in the country tops , don't rate alabama as some world beaters va tech has never played well outside of blacksbugh in big spots....had the tide won that game in blacksburgh instead of the dome i could see your point...while Tenn stinks this year , their defense still has NFL talent on it and can hold it's own against most sec teams

horseofcourse 10-06-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Florida would crush them. I'd think Florida/Alabama or Oklahoma/Texas or USC/Oregon would be bigger deals than Boise St. vs. anyone.

did you actually happen to see Oregon play Boise State?? The game I saw, Oregon didn't get a first down in the first half. Which game did you watch?? Boise State vs anyone?? I saw them vs Oregon. It was a total massacre. Fresno State gave undefeated Big 10 and Big East teams much better games on the road than they gave Boise State at home. It is what it is.

King Glorious 10-06-2009 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
did you actually happen to see Oregon play Boise State?? The game I saw, Oregon didn't get a first down in the first half. Which game did you watch?? Boise State vs anyone?? I saw them vs Oregon. It was a total massacre. Fresno State gave undefeated Big 10 and Big East teams much better games on the road than they gave Boise State at home. It is what it is.

That's besides the point though. The point was which matchup would be a bigger game, not which team is better. The USC/Oregon is shaping up to likely be for the Pac-10 title and BCS berth. It's going to have a hell of a lot riding on it, especially for USC. With a win, with the way the schedule is going to play out for other teams, it could mean putting them in the title game. As for which team is better, I have no argument with you saying that Boise St. dominated them that night. But since then, I think the teams have gone in opposite directions. Boise St. struggled with Fresno St. Fresno actually outgained Boise in passing and rushing yards and had more first downs. Boise was very unimpressive against UC-Davis and that's not even a division one school. Oregon has improved immensely from that opening game, which I thought was at Boise. If teams stayed at one level throughout the season, you'd have to give Boise the advantage. But they don't.

horseofcourse 10-07-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
That's besides the point though. The point was which matchup would be a bigger game, not which team is better. The USC/Oregon is shaping up to likely be for the Pac-10 title and BCS berth. It's going to have a hell of a lot riding on it, especially for USC. With a win, with the way the schedule is going to play out for other teams, it could mean putting them in the title game. As for which team is better, I have no argument with you saying that Boise St. dominated them that night. But since then, I think the teams have gone in opposite directions. Boise St. struggled with Fresno St. Fresno actually outgained Boise in passing and rushing yards and had more first downs. Boise was very unimpressive against UC-Davis and that's not even a division one school. Oregon has improved immensely from that opening game, which I thought was at Boise. If teams stayed at one level throughout the season, you'd have to give Boise the advantage. But they don't.

well, you can look at the Fresno State thing several ways. Fresno also outgained Wisconsin and Cincinnati on the road while neither of those teams gained the 500 total yards Boise did against them on the road. So we can spin and spin and spin to make the argument go our way. Fresno State beat UC-Davis 51-0. They also played Boise who scored 51 on them. I wouldn't take the UC-Davis game so seriously.

There may be 50 to 100 teams better than Boise State. They killed Oregon and went on the road and beat an ok Fresno team scoring over 50. They are what they are and it is likely they are going undefeated again which many people don't like. I hope they lose so the whining won't get out of control again about the non-BCS schools. Kellen Moore is a great "college" quarterback. They aren't going to lose however. Gonna be fun. Every Boise State game has a lot riding on it. Just as much as the Oregon/USC game. They are all for the BCS for Boise State. Unlike the big conference games, they can't lose. Simply can't. That's how the system works.

King Glorious 10-07-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
well, you can look at the Fresno State thing several ways. Fresno also outgained Wisconsin and Cincinnati on the road while neither of those teams gained the 500 total yards Boise did against them on the road. So we can spin and spin and spin to make the argument go our way. Fresno State beat UC-Davis 51-0. They also played Boise who scored 51 on them. I wouldn't take the UC-Davis game so seriously.

There may be 50 to 100 teams better than Boise State. They killed Oregon and went on the road and beat an ok Fresno team scoring over 50. They are what they are and it is likely they are going undefeated again which many people don't like. I hope they lose so the whining won't get out of control again about the non-BCS schools. Kellen Moore is a great "college" quarterback. They aren't going to lose however. Gonna be fun.

Again, it's not about which team is better so I'm not going to get into a debate about how good Boise is versus how good Fresno is. Neither team, to me, is relevant to the big picture. The conversation was which game would be a bigger game and I still believe that a game that will probably decide the Pac-10 champion and their BCS bid and possibly a berth in the title game is a bigger game than any Boise St. game. That's not saying Oregon or USC is better. That's a different conversation.

randallscott35 10-07-2009 10:59 AM

Ummm, Rutgers is not in any of your top 10s? Not good.

horseofcourse 10-07-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Again, it's not about which team is better so I'm not going to get into a debate about how good Boise is versus how good Fresno is. Neither team, to me, is relevant to the big picture. The conversation was which game would be a bigger game and I still believe that a game that will probably decide the Pac-10 champion and their BCS bid and possibly a berth in the title game is a bigger game than any Boise St. game. That's not saying Oregon or USC is better. That's a different conversation.

In a strange way, I think Boise State is both massively overrated and massively underrated at the same time. It's much easier to argue for Mountain West teams as there are at least usually a couple pretty good teams every year there. Boise State sits on an island. The Mountain West would be a much better fit for them.

King Glorious 10-07-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
In a strange way, I think Boise State is both massively overrated and massively underrated at the same time. It's much easier to argue for Mountain West teams as there are at least usually a couple pretty good teams every year there. Boise State sits on an island. The Mountain West would be a much better fit for them.

Boise earned respect from me a couple of years ago when I thought Oklahoma would beat them but Boise won the game. I think that on a single game basis, they might be able to match up with most teams in the country. At least compete well. But on a week in and week out basis, they wouldn't be able to. That's the difference.

dalakhani 10-07-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Boise earned respect from me a couple of years ago when I thought Oklahoma would beat them but Boise won the game. I think that on a single game basis, they might be able to match up with most teams in the country. At least compete well. But on a week in and week out basis, they wouldn't be able to. That's the difference.

Thats a good point and its seldom brought up. The big difference in the top tier division 1 programs and the next tier is in DEPTH not necessarily talent. That shows out over the course of the season and may not in one game. If bowl games were played immediately after the regular season ended, you would have far fewer upsets mainly because the lesser teams need that time to physically heal while the bigger programs have backups that are often times as good as starters.

Coach Pants 10-11-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Alabama will not lose to Ole Siss.

Alabama will not lose this year.

Danzig 10-11-2009 02:25 PM

bama leapfrogged texas to #2 today. lsu dropped to 10th, which is right where i had them....

Danzig 10-11-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Alabama will not lose this year.



you've got to feel pretty confident about that prediction. but, for obvious reasons, i'm hoping you're wrong!

but if lsu plays them the way they played teabag and co last night, you'll be celebrating a win that wknd for sure.

RockHardTen1985 10-11-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Alabama will not lose this year.


Florida in the SEC title game?

Danzig 10-11-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Florida in the SEC title game?


if florida plays bama like they played lsu, and tenn earlier, they will lose and bama will play for all the marbles in january.

GPK 10-17-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
VT isn't far behind them. One thing is for sure...if their defense doesn't force turnovers, a very mediocre team will knock them off this year.

At least UNC's offense had a stellar performance today:wf :o

No joy in Hokieville tonight!!
Hahahaha

SniperSB23 10-19-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. Boise St
4. Texas
5. Iowa
6. Virginia Tech
7. Cincinnati
8. TCU
9. Oregon
10. LSU

Most of my original top ten is intact:

1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Texas
4. Iowa
5. Boise St
6. Cincinnati
7. TCU
8. USC
9. Oregon
10. Virginia Tech


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