Now that I'm rolling, I want to do some more quarterbacks. Takes a little time between them but here's Joe Montana. Remember, all stats and records are as a starter only. First column regular season, second is total playoffs, third is conference title games and Super Bowls.

Games......164 (117-47.713).......23 (16-7.696).........11 (8-3.727)
Comp...............3304..................460...... .................220
Att..................5220..................734.... ...................345
Comp%.............63.3..................62.7...... ...............63.8
Yds.................39318................5772..... ................2873
TD...................259....................45.... ....................24
TD%.................5.0....................6.1.... ...................7.0
Int...................134.....................21.. ......................7
Int%.................2.6....................2.9... ....................2.0
YPG.................239.7.................251.0... .................261.2
Rating..............92.1...................95.6... ..................104.7

Montana is incredible. Notice how his accuracy is steady no matter the level of the game and is at it's highest in the biggest games. His td% goes up at each level and his interception % is at it's lowest in the biggest games. His yards per game go up and so does his quarterback rating. It's clear to see why he's considered one of the most clutch big game performers in history. Yes, he usually played with really good teams and really good players but we've seen plenty of guys that did that and when the pressure was turned up, the faltered. Montana didn't.

Coming up next is Troy Aikman.

Aikman

Games........165 (94-71.570).........15 (11-4.733).......7 (6-1.857)
Comp.............2898....................309...... .................145
Att................4715....................486.... ...................218
Comp%..........61.5.....................63.6...... ...............66.5
Yds...............32942..................3735..... ................1823
TD................165......................23..... ...................13
TD%...............3.5.....................4.7..... ...................6.0
Int................141.......................16... .....................4
Int%...............3.0......................3.3... ....................1.8
YPG...............199.6..................249.0.... .................260.4
Rating............81.6.....................89.2... ...................104.6

Aikman is another one that increased his productivity during the playoffs. He was a decent regular season qb but nothing spectacular. But notice how his td% rises as the stakes get higher and he goes from barely over a 1/1 td to interception ration during the regular season to over a 3/1 ratio during the conference title games and Super Bowls. His yards per game and passer rating shoot way up as the games get bigger and of course, his winning percentage does too. These are the hallmarks of guys that come through in the clutch.

Here's Brady and Manning in the same format

Brady
Games..........111 (87-24.784).......17 (14-3.824)..........9 (7-2.778)
Comp............2295.....................372...... ..................191
Att...............3640....................595..... ....................299
Comp%..........63.0....................62.5....... .................63.9
Yds..............26394.................3954....... ..................2001
TD................197......................26..... .......................13
TD%..............5.4......................4.3..... .....................4.3
Int.................86......................12.... .........................6
Int%..............2.3.......................2.0... .......................2.0
YPG.............237.8...................232.6..... ...................222.3
Rating..........93.0.....................88.0..... ....................89.3

Manning
Games..........176 (117-59.665).......15 (7-8.467)............3 (2-1.667)
Comp............3839.....................348...... .....................75
Att...............5960.....................564.... .......................132
Comp%..........64.4.....................61.7...... ....................56.8
Yds..............45628...................4208..... ......................833
TD...............333.......................22..... .........................3
TD%.............5.6........................4.0.... .......................2.3
Int...............165.......................17.... ...........................6
Int%.............2.8........................3.0... ........................4.5
YPG..............259.3....................280.5... ....................277.7
Rating...........94.8......................85.0... ........................64.4

Marino

Games........240 (147-93.613)..........18 (8-10.444).......4 (1-3.250)
Comp..............4944.......................385.. ...................92
Att.................8319.......................687 ....................175
Comp%............59.4........................56.0. ................52.6
Yds................61121....................4510.. ..................1255
TD..................417........................32. .......................8
TD%...............5.0..........................4.7 .....................4.6
Int..................251........................24 .......................7
Int%................3.0........................3.5 ......................4.0
YPG................254.7......................250. 6................. 313.8
Rating.............86.4........................77. 1...................74.3

Marino's numbers are suprisingly disappointing. I knew he was a high yards and touchdowns guy but I didn't really realize how average he was in so many areas. His completion percentages and td/int ratios are way below what I expected to see when I started looking up this stuff. He also regressed significantly in the biggest games. Very disappointing.

Yeah, I can attest that Douglas Savantore did indeed pick them, and when they started out with a poor record, he even said, and I quote "they will still win the superbowl if a few things go their way".

I would only rank that though #3 on his all time retarded predictions that actually came true.

Actually, Aikman was, if anything, underrated. They didn't pass very much in that offense. They could easily have been a much more prolific offense.

The real beneficiary of all those stud offensive players was Emmit Smith. Grossly overrated in my estimation. I can only imagine Barry Sanders on that team, that would have been sick.

Kurt Warner

Games..........101 (57-44.564)..........11 (8-3.727).........6 (4-2.667)
Comp.............2260.........................261. ....................152
Att................3442.........................40 3......................236
Comp%............65.7........................64.8. ....................64.4
Yds...............27704.......................3368 ......................1905
TD.................178..........................26 ........................12
TD%................5.2..........................6. 5.......................5.1
Int..................113.......................... 13........................6
Int%...............3.3...........................3 .2.......................2.5
YPG.................274.3......................306 .2.....................317.5
Rating..............93.9.........................9 8.9.....................95.7

Warner is an interesting guy by the numbers. There's considerable debate about whether or not he's a hall of famer. I say yes. His career numbers aren't all that great but he's won a couple of MVP awards and been to three Super Bowls with two different teams. He's performed better in the playoffs and in the really big games than he has in the regular season and that's something I love. His passer rating is very high and his yards per game is extremely impressive. So is his accuracy and his 2/1 td to int ratio in the playoffs. When it comes to playoff performers, he's ahead of Brady, Aikman, and Montana in yards per game, completion %, td %, and passer rating. And that's just of the ones I've done so far.

Brett Favre

Games.........269 (169-100.628)...........22 (12-10.545)...........6 (3-3.500)
Comp............5690............................43 8.........................114
Att...............9223............................ 721..........................199
Comp%.........61.7..............................60 .7.......................57.3
Yds...............64765..........................5 311.......................1559
TD...............462.............................. ..39........................13
TD%.............5.0............................... .5.4.........................6.5
Int...............307............................. ..28...........................6
Int%.............3.3.............................. ..3.9........................3.0
YPG.............240.8............................2 41.4......................259.8
Rating...........85.6............................. ..85.3......................91.7

Favre's numbers kind of suprised me a little as well. I always thought of him as kind of reckless with the ball and his td to int ratio during the regular season and playoffs kind of support that thinking. But in the big games, he's better than 2/1, which suprised me. I also like how his quarterback rating stays consistent even in the playoffs and actually rises during the big games. He does lose a little accuracy as the games get bigger but overall, I think he's pretty consistent no matter the stakes. I don't like that his winning percentage goes down with each level though.

:tro:

what he said

I went to a ton of Eagles/Cowboys games growing up. During those golden years for the Cowgirls, you could drive 18 wheelers through the holes the offensive line created. Anyone on this site could have rushed for 1000 yards per season on that team

also, Good stats King.

Exactly my point. It was a near miracle of Smith was ever hit before the line of scrimmage, and it seemed pretty rare for him to be hit before gaining three yards.

I loved the way, as his career progressed, he'd get hit that once or twice a game and he'd go down and stay down for a minute. All of a sudden, he'd spring back up and everyone in Dallas would let out their collective breaths.

He was very theatrical.

Barry Sanders, or Eric Dickerson in his prime, with that line, would easily have gone for 2k a year.

Some of my greatest childhood (and adult) memories are Eagles/Cowboys games.

First one I went to, I was 6. Its when the cowgirls sucked but had there good players so they were about to be good. It had snowed and everyone was chucking snowballs at the cowgirls huddle. That was great... Think want you want about Philly fans but Cowgirls always deserve to be pelted with snowballs.

and then there was "ITS 4TH AND 1 AND THEY STOP HIM AGAIN!! ITS GROUNDHOG DAY!" one of the greatest Eagles plays, stopping Emmit twice on 4th and 1.. the first time didnt count cause the clock hit the 2 min warning before the snap.. but we stuffed them twice.

Last year's 44-6 game to get into the playoffs was a great experience. My bro and I drank so much beer to stay warm! What an atmosphere though, its always great blowing out the Cowgirls!

Good lord ...

*shaking my head*

NO, Matt! This is our year, I tell ya! :tro:

Elway

Games........231 (148-82-1.643).........21 (14-7.667).........11 (7-4.636)
Comp%............56.9..........................54. 2......................51.5
YPG...............222.2.........................23 0.5....................231.1
TD%................4.1...........................4 .2.......................3.8
Int%................3.1........................... 3.1.......................3.6
Rating..............79.8........................80 .1......................74.3

Doing Elway's numbers surprised me. I always thought he was better than this numbers wise. Compared to all the rest I've done, he's the least accurate of all of them so far. His completion % sucks big time and he gets less and less accurate as the stakes increase. His td/int ratio is pretty weak and it's horrible in the biggest games. Not impressed at all by his numbers. He and Marino are virtually the same quarterback by the passing numbers. Luckily for Elway, he got Terrell Davis and got his Super Bowl wins.

Ben Roethlisberger

Games..........71 (51-20.718).........10 (8-2.800)........5 (4-1.800)
Comp%............62.4.....................61.9.... ...............59.1
YPG...............208.4...................223.9... ................227.0
TD%...............5.3.......................5.4... ...................4.4
Int%...............3.6.......................4.3.. ....................4.4
Rating............89.5.....................87.2... ..................82.2

Roethlisberger is a pretty steady guy. He loses some accuracy but not a whole lot. His td/int ratio is not too good and gets worse as the stakes rise so he might want to work on that but his numbers don't lose too much as the games get bigger.

There's your answer right there. How many titles does Brady have without Vinatieri?? Zero. How many has Manning won without Vinatieri?? Zero. He is the magic elixer for both fellows. If Tom Brady had Scott Norwood and Jim Kelly had Adam Vinatieri, they'd have the same number of championships.

Brady often needed that idiot kicker.

:)

Steve Young

Games............143 (94-49.657)........14 (8-6.571).........5 (2-3.400)
Comp%............64.4........................61.5. ...................61.2
YPG.................224.6......................222 .7..................266.0
TD%...............5.5..........................4.3 ......................5.5
Int%...............2.6..........................2. 7......................2.2
Rating............96.4.........................85. 4....................92.5

Young's first two years were with the Buccaneers and they really didn't qualify as an NFL team. Here are his career regular season numbers with SF as a starter:

65.9% completions, 233.0 ypg, 5.9 td%, 2.3 int%, 101.1 rating. Young's numbers, while pretty good, show why he never could replace Montana up there. He was much more of a regular season guy and just didn't come through in the clutch the same way as Montana did. Montana got markedly better as the pressure increased. Young regressed. Not by a lot but still, went backwards.

Terry Bradshaw

Games..........158 (107-51.677).........19 (14-5.737)..........10 (8-2.800)
Comp%............52.4..........................57. 3.....................54.5
YPG...............171.9.........................20 1.7...................191.7
TD%................5.3............................ 6.6......................7.3
Int%................5.2........................... .5.7......................6.4
Rating.............71.9........................... 83.0.....................81.6

Bradshaw obviously got the job done and as the pressure increased, he got better. His accuracy and his quarterback rating both got better in the playoffs than in the regular season. The one thing I don't like about him is that his td/int ratio was very poor. Overall, he never was an accurate passer and his rating sucks in comparison to some of the best but you can't argue with the results. Great team or not, he got better as the stakes got higher.

Jim Kelly

Games.......160 (101-59.631)......17 (9-8.529)..............9 (4-5.444)
Comp%..........60.1.....................59.1...... ......................58.0
YPG.............221.7...................227.2..... .......................194.0
TD%.............5.0......................3.9...... .........................2.2
Int%.............3.7......................5.1..... ..........................5.5
Rating..........84.4.....................72.3..... .......................61.5

Very disappointing showing by Kelly. He's got decent numbers for the regular season but in the playoffs, he's been pretty mediocre. His completion % is under 60% and his rating plummets to horrific depths. While never good to begin with, his td/int ratio really gets horrible in the playoffs. He's at 21/28 in the playoffs overall and 6/15 in conference title games and the Super Bowl. His numbers in the big games are very, very poor.

Thought this would be interesting to show you all.

Regular season
Completion%
Bradshaw-52.4
Vick-53.9

YPG
Bradshaw-171.9
Vick-162.2

TD%
Bradshaw-5.3
Vick-4.2

Int%
Bradshaw-5.2
Vick-3.0

Rating
Bradshaw-71.9
Vick-76.0

Playoffs
Completion%
Kelly-59.1
Vick-56.3

YPG
Kelly-227.2
Vick-152.3

TD%
Kelly-3.9
Vick-2.9

Int%
Kelly-5.1
Vick-2.9

Rating
Kelly-72.3
Vick-71.2

Interesting how closely he compares to those two hall of fame quarterbacks and that doesn't even count his rushing yards.

Kelly isn't in the HOF for his Super Bowls. He was hungover for the first one (that was the last year they had one week between conference championships and the Super Bowl, the Bills were big favorites and they admittedly partied too hard), and then let the pressure get to him in the last three while facing incredibly good teams. I'd like to see several QB's ratings against the 1991 Redskins (best team in my lifetime), 1992 Cowboys, and 1993 Cowboys.

Comparing QB ratings over eras is pointless. With the rule changes on bump and run it is a completely different animal. Your comparison of regular season to playoffs, to Super Bowl is quite interesting and appreciated but comparing QBs from 15 years to the QBs of today on statistics is irrelevant. They made the game easier for QBs today with the rule changes.

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

^^^ what he said


but I get crap for saying it!

Interesting - Career QB Rating in the Super Bowl. 2 game minimum of course.

Passer Rating (Career)
1. Joe Montana 127.83 (4 SB)
2. Jim Plunkett 122.83 (2 SB)
3. Terry Bradshaw 112.80 (4 SB)
4. Troy Aikman 111.93 (3 SB)
5. Bart Starr 105.98 (2 SB)
6. Brett Favre 97.61 (2 SB)
7. Roger Staubach 96.33 (4 SB)
8. Kurt Warner 95.94 (3 SB)
9. Tom Brady 95.12 (4 SB)
10. Len Dawson 84.75 (2 SB)

Career Passer Rating. (Overrated?)

1. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
2. Peyton Manning (32) 95.2 1998-2009 clt
3. Kurt Warner (37) 93.5 1998-2009 3TM
4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
6. Tom Brady (31) 92.5 2000-2009 nwe
7. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
9. Drew Brees (29) 90.0 2001-2009 2TM
Ben Roethlisberger (26) 90.0 2004-2009 pit
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
16. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
17. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
19. Donovan McNabb (32) 85.8 1999-2009 phi
20. Brett Favre (39) 85.7 1991-2009 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

Regular season defense with Kelly's SB numbers against them in ()
1991 Redskins allowed
53.3% completions (48.3)
205.8 ypg (275)
58.9 rating (44.8)

1992 Cowboys allowed
54.3% completions (57.1)
189.6 ypg (82)
69.9 rating (58.9)

That SB is kind of odd numbers wise because Kelly only three seven passes. He went 4-7 for 82 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

1993 Cowboys allowed
60.2% completions (62.0)
209.2 ypg (260)
75.3 rating (67.1)

In each situation, his rating was well below what the defense allowed during the course of the year. Interstingly, in the one you say he partied too hard and was hung over, he performed better than the rest of the league against the Giants.

1990 Giants allowed
56.0% completions (60.0)
183.3 ypg (212)
62.2 rating (81.5)

Kelly had played the Giants in the regular season and had a 129.0 rating against them.

That is pretty amazing that the Redskins held their opponents to a 58.9 rating on the season. Basically they made every opposing QB in the NFL look like Ryan Leaf.

He will tell you ALL that matters is his winning %. He's had a step above dog $hit as receivers for practically his whole career, up until now. This year forward will cement/determine whether his tenure here will be deemed a success, and I feel that it will,(unbiasedly of course :D ) and that his best days are AHEAD of him. D-Jack will bring out the best of 5 and vice versa. If only he had the threat of a REAL run game (like Eli) to open up the field via play action. Opposing teams know damn well that he is tucking that ball into his chest instead of handing it off, which is HUGE for pass rushing specialists. Andy also needs to rip those Shotgun formation run plays and those A-gap run plays out of the menu. They are about as stale as my in-laws easter candy.

That's always true. All that does matter is winning but what has he won? He's won one conference title and no Super Bowl. He's 1-5 in conference title games and the SB. He's got a lower winning % in the playoffs than in the regular season. We all know that he hasn't had great receivers but he's had the same ones for each playoff season as he's had for that regular season. His numbers tail off as the games get bigger. So far, of all the quarterbacks I've done, here's how their regular season rating compares to their rating in conference title games/SB

Aikman +23.0
Montana +12.6
Bradshaw +9.7
Favre +6.1
Warner +1.8
Brady -3.7
Young -3.9
Elway -5.5
Roethlisberger -7.3
Marino -12.1
McNabb -13.5
Fouts -16.0
Kelly -22.9
P. Manning -30.4

Dan Fouts

Games.........171 (86-84-1.506).......7 (3-4.429)...........2 (0-2.000)
Comp%...........58.9.......................55.6... ..................50.7
YPG..............248.8.....................303.6.. ..................260.5
TD%.............4.6..........................4.2.. .....................4.1
Int%.............4.3..........................5.6. .....................5.5
Rating.........80.9..........................70.1. ...................64.9

Fouts is more highly regarded than he probably should be. He played in an offensive system that was highly prolific and his career touchdown and yards numbers are good. But he was a below average passer when it came to accuracy and his rating was average at best. During the playoffs, I'd even say he was mediocre. Rating was bad, accuracy was bad, and he threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

Warren Moon

Games.........203 (102-101.502)..........10 (3-7.300)
Comp%...............58.5........................64 .3
YPG...................241.2......................2 87.0
TD%...................4.2......................... 4.2
Int%..................3.4......................... .3.5
Rating...............80.8........................8 4.9

Moon is interesting. He didn't really play for a lot of good teams and his career winning percentage is not good. He's got a decent qb rating and his completion % is a little low but not horrible. What gets interesting is when you look at his playoff numbers. He increases his production in all areas by a good margin but the record doesn't show it. He's never played in a conference title game or Super Bowl so that's why there are only two columns for him. With the other guys I've done, you can see a correlation between their play and their team's success. With Moon, you can't. He's one of those that you want to say it's not his fault when his team loses because he did his job.

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

I don't think that's true at all. I think that what Sniper said about comparing them from different eras is valid. But when it's the same era, I think there is something to be said. Especially when it's the same player comparing his regular season numbers to his playoff numbers.

Staubach

Games.........114 (85-29.746).........17 (11-6.647)..........10 (6-4.600)
Comp%..........57.2........................53.8... ...................56.3
YPG.............191.4......................151.4.. ...................153.5
TD%..............5.3..........................5.5. .....................6.5
Int%..............3.5..........................4.9 .....................5.2
Rating...........85.0.........................72.4 ....................76.7

This guy is in the hall of fame? Talk about an average quarterback? How about below average? He was below average in accuracy and not much better with his rating. He didn't throw for a lot of yards. His td/int ratio wasn't anything to write home about. But he won. I always thought that Bradshaw was the model of an average quarterback that benefitted from having a lot of talent around him but now I'm not sure which guy was luckier. Amazing that these guys have six titles between them while Elway, Favre, Marino, and Moon have a combined three.

Fran Tarkenton

Games......239 (124-109-6.531)......11 (6-5.545)............6 (3-3.500)
Comp%.........57.0.........................51.0... ...................49.7
YPG.............194.8......................163.9.. ....................148.0
TD%............5.3...........................3.8.. .......................1.9
Int%............4.1...........................5.8. ........................5.7
Rating.........80.3.........................58.6.. .....................49.5

Hold the damn horses. How the hell is Tarkenton in the hall of fame? This is depressing to read. What has he done that's noteworthy? His regular season numbers are average at best. So you'd think maybe he was some great winner. But he wasn't. He did get to three Super Bowls but looking at his numbers during the playoffs, you have to think his teams did it in spite of him. Those playoff numbers are horrific. Barely over 50% completions and an 11/17 td/int ratio. And it gets worse in the big games. And even worse in the Super Bowl itself. In the three Super Bowls, he's at 51.7% completions with one td and six interceptions, 163.0 yards per game and a 43.7 rating. Why in the hell is this guy in the hall of fame. After he made it to the Super Bowl last year, I heard a lot of people debating about whether or not Kurt Warner will make it. Kurt Warner is light years better than Fran Tarkenton. He kills him in stats, has been to as many Super Bowls and has actually won one. I liked Fran on "That's Incredible" but the real incredible fact is that he's in the hall of fame.

You took that from my list didn't you!!!! Thats what I thought when I listed overrated.

You see these guys on here and you would say no way!!

4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

Great stuff here KG. keep it coming.

Here's the way I look at it. A rating is like a raw time at the racetrack. A horse might run 6f in 1:10. Another horse at another track might run it in 1:12. You can't compare the two because there are so many variables that go into why one was faster than the other. Same thing with a qb rating. One quarterback may play in a system that focuses on the deep pass. Another may play in one where 60% of his passes are 3-7 yard dinks. One quarterback may play with Barry Sanders and the other has Berry Gordy. So it's hard to compare them to each other and it's even harder to compare guys of different years or eras. But what you can compare with a little more accuracy is one horse against himself. If he runs six races at SA and all of them are between 1:09 4/5 and 1:10 2/5 then all of a sudden, he runs a 1:08, you know that was a really fast race for him or if it's a 1:12, it's a slow one. Same thing I'm doing here. I'm not focusing on how each quarterback compares against the others as much as I am looking at how they fare against themselves under the different levels of pressure. Looked at that way, I think the numbers are a good gauge and very useful.