Dont lie to yourself. You want them to run against each other too

I truly hope they meet on dirt..In the Go for Wand. It would be an assume event. The winner COULD be on the cover of SI or for that what Time. It has the makings of a very special event.

that was strange, think they might get called into the Stewards office in Europe.

A horse with ability is supposed to win by 20 with a setup like that. Calvin did well... backing-off when he saw they were going to try and steal it themselves. She looked good down the stretch though... but wonder if she can keep this up with hard race after hard race.

She ran a hard race today? If so, can you put up a link to it cause I missed it.

NT

I just checked on YouTube, it's not up yet. How are you doing in the contest?

I never said I didn't, but I get why they haven't and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them do so.

In all seriousness, I'm referring to that old saying about horses in that there's only so much juice there to squeeze. Just because she wasn't whipped does not mean the race did not take anything out of her. She's run three really big races now in less than two months and we're only in June.

Moss

"we will find a way to make this happen"

I for one want it to be at CD, give RA 10 pounds, match race to boot.....so when Zenyatta beats her there is no excuse ( :

If I were the Moss' I'd make it happen in the Beldame. Zenyatta doesn't seem to find her stride on the tighter turns but kicks-in nicely once she finds her stride down the stretch... she would do far better on the sweeping turns at Belmont Park in my opinion and be very tough to beat.

I would look to Belmont as well

it's a shame oaklawn is closed-they both won there, it's centrally located...and only two hours away!

Travis stop it...really. You're taking a blanket remark about normal horses and throwing it over a horse that may not be an all-time great but is clearly not normal. We're treating horses like such pansies right now and it's ideas like thinking that huge performances where they win on cruise control leave them zapped that have led us to crowning "champions" every year.

NT

Stop what?

I'm not taking anything away from her, I'm just saying it'll be hard to continue to duplicate these performances throughout the rest of the year, especially in races like the Travers where there will be more quality to test her at certain parts of the race, after continual big effort after big effort. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying this.

She won two of her last three by 20 lengths! The above quotes make it seem like she's been in a complete drive to do it over and over when it's been the opposite.

Her connections did the right thing in skipping the Belmont and they've obviously been rewarded with a filly who's still just as good as she was earlier in the spring. I just don't understand how you or anyone could watch that effort and wonder if she can continue to run at a high level when it's exactly what she's done now for the better part of five months.

NT

Flashing must have really hit a wall in deep stretch.

The chart has her in front by 8 lengths at the 1/8th pole .. and finishing last by more than 30. I guess she needs a cut-back to a mile.

We should have entered Ask my Lawyer

The funny thing is that in a sale catalog in a few years a foal is going to be by Grade I placed mare Flashing.

NT

You don't think they were racing to win?

No she had a knuclehead ride by her jock

I agree. Drugs look at the early fractions, why Castellano was dueling with the 4 is beyond bizzare to me. His ride was a disgrace.

How do you quote three posts at once? That's very cool.

I question whether or not she can because (a) It's fun to play devils advocate (b) I enjoy finding favorites to try beat down the road and (c) The road from here does not get any easier.

I don't think my comments call for bolded repeats, multiple quotes and sarcasm. I'm just talking for the sake of discussions, which is fun in horse racing, and in my opinion, has some legit merit in this case.

A match race would be horribly unfair to the slow to get moving Zenyatta, if anything she should be given the weight break

Its perfectly fair, if Zenyatta is the real deal then she should win.

Zenyatta is to Easy Goer as RA is to Sunday Silence.....and in each case and in this the better horse will prove out.

Thankfully Steve is in the Dottie/Moss's inner circle and we will all be privy to what Dottie Jerry and Ann have in mind soon..

lol, your killing me this week.

Byk can certainly toss some batting practice fast balls. "Dottie, its Steve, "Steve who" oh Steve Byk...Dottie, I guess that ankle is OK.. Is John ok shipping her East?...Steve Who? "Oh Steve Byk, Steve look we are looking at all are options have a nice day" Thx Dottie You are the Best....

Folks you have no idea how hard of a decision this is but I think we will know very soon where Zenyatta is going to show up.........BUT the Moss's RULE

fast time

maidens went in 108, par for the race was probably lower by a second based on the track. you think they wanted it a little souped up for the big horse?

No, they didn't want it " souped up. " I imagine the two inches of rain we got Friday, in about 15 minutes, had something to do with that.

You really should know better.

As should Tom Durkin when, despite the circumstances, he starts screaming about Rachel setting a stakes record.

it rains everyday there doesnt it....sure did for the open

Its been like that for a decade, I think he is trying to one up Vic.

Embarassing? I don't really see that. Poor Tom can't get any love. I thought it was a great call.

NT

You know, I **** with Vic Stauffer whenever I get a chance to on this forum

but compared to VS, Durkin not only comes across as a DOOFUS in his calls but a clueless one at that. He must really believe that his audience is less knowledgeable than even he is when it comes to races.

I'm at the point where I actually miss Marshall Cassidy, the ultimate DOOFUS race caller. And, if Imbriale would time the start a little better (he's on internet start time) I might want him as the 1st string NY race caller.

Definitely time for Durkin to hang it up. Maybe we can get Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr to run up at Sar and send Durkin out in style.

At the risk of invoking what is, by far, the worst memory I have of any race, this is much more like Bayakoa and Go For Wand. That was easily the most eagerly anticipated BC race that year, and for 95% of the way it lived up to its billing.

I am creeped out just typing that observation.

Cassidy was great. You had to love how in a sprint race, they would be crossing the finish line and he'd be saying "they're off". Seriously, I thought he was the second best I've ever heard behind Denman.