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Honu 05-19-2009 11:35 PM

I dont feel like it is so simple as " we hope there is another attack just to prove your man wrong " but more like we dont want to see the lackness of previous administrations when it comes to people harming Americans. Just think what might have happened if we had taken Bin Laden when he was offered to us , just think what might have not happened had we taken a more forcefull stand when our embassies and ships were attacked abroad by Muslim extremists. I expect and only want from our federal government to protect my freedom at any cost , whatever that entails , I dont want full disclosure on how they do it , I just want to be secure in knowing that it is done. I know that people dont agree with this and that is fine , hug a tree or a kitten whatever makes you feel secure , but what makes me feel secure is knowing that our country is willing to make people pay for wanting to kill me.

Antitrust32 05-20-2009 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
no one wants a terrorist attack in the united states more than poor sulking rejected conservatives. you can almost smell the relish for that lovely day when they roll out triumphant "i told you so's". if we had just been allowed that 184th waterboarding session, none of this would have happened...

as a nation, you may have moved on america but your old boyfriend still holds a grudge. he's praying you have a car wreck with the new guy. then you'll be sorry.

i hope obama fails and thousands of you die.


Thats kind of f'd up. I'm a conservative and that is the absolute last think I hope happens. I hope that 9/11 is the worst attack that ever happens on OUR soil for the rest of my life. And I guess I have the potential to live another 75 years though I doubt I last that long.

dellinger63 05-20-2009 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
no one wants a terrorist attack in the united states more than poor sulking rejected conservatives. you can almost smell the relish for that lovely day when they roll out triumphant "i told you so's". if we had just been allowed that 184th waterboarding session, none of this would have happened...

as a nation, you may have moved on america but your old boyfriend still holds a grudge. he's praying you have a car wreck with the new guy. then you'll be sorry.

i hope obama fails and thousands of you die.

I think this was plagiarized with names changed from an old Jeremiah Wright sermon. Makes me very suspicious!

Danzig 05-20-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Thats kind of f'd up. I'm a conservative and that is the absolute last think I hope happens. I hope that 9/11 is the worst attack that ever happens on OUR soil for the rest of my life. And I guess I have the potential to live another 75 years though I doubt I last that long.

i doubt he meant all conservatives. but no doubt in my mind if there was an attack, there would absolutely be some i told you so's, with rush leading the charge.

joeydb 05-20-2009 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Thats kind of f'd up. I'm a conservative and that is the absolute last think I hope happens. I hope that 9/11 is the worst attack that ever happens on OUR soil for the rest of my life. And I guess I have the potential to live another 75 years though I doubt I last that long.

We all hope that it never happens. But we need to do better than hope. This administration's plans run counter to common sense in terms of the things that need to be done to safeguard the nation's security. Hope is not a plan -- Obama should learn that and fast.

And don't worry about the next 75 years. Unless you plan to go 75 years without any hospitalization or serious bouts, as the socialized medicine he is planning WILL lead to rationing, long waiting lists and a declining life expectancy. The government will see the older people as "cheaper when dead". That is where any cost savings will come from when the government controls all the spending, especially since government programs are never as efficient as private industry.

You likely do not have 75 years.

Antitrust32 05-20-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
We all hope that it never happens. But we need to do better than hope. This administration's plans run counter to common sense in terms of the things that need to be done to safeguard the nation's security. Hope is not a plan -- Obama should learn that and fast.

And don't worry about the next 75 years. Unless you plan to go 75 years without any hospitalization or serious bouts, as the socialized medicine he is planning WILL lead to rationing, long waiting lists and a declining life expectancy. The government will see the older people as "cheaper when dead". That is where any cost savings will come from when the government controls all the spending, especially since government programs are never as efficient as private industry.

You likely do not have 75 years.


I 100% agree with this. As I've said many times on here, I've lived in two countries that have socialized medicine (Ireland and New Zealand) and the healthcare was absolutely horrible there. Took forever to get appointments and frankly the doctors didnt seem all that good compared to the health care I've had in America.

Socialized medicine is by far the worst thing Obama could do to America... but I dont think hes going to go that far with it.

Health care DOES need to be looked at and costs must be affordable... we've allowed drug companies and malpractice lawsuits to rape our wallets over the years. Those are the aspects that need to be revised.

Socialized medicine is not the answer and will set this country and our great doctors and hospitals back so much.

Danzig 05-20-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I 100% agree with this. As I've said many times on here, I've lived in two countries that have socialized medicine (Ireland and New Zealand) and the healthcare was absolutely horrible there. Took forever to get appointments and frankly the doctors didnt seem all that good compared to the health care I've had in America.

Socialized medicine is by far the worst thing Obama could do to America... but I dont think hes going to go that far with it.

Health care DOES need to be looked at and costs must be affordable... we've allowed drug companies and malpractice lawsuits to rape our wallets over the years. Those are the aspects that need to be revised.

Socialized medicine is not the answer and will set this country and our great doctors and hospitals back so much.

i like the coverage i have now, and hope they don't do anything stupid where i would end up paying the same amount that i pay now, for crappy service/care.

Cannon Shell 05-20-2009 02:47 PM

Liberals like Hi I'm Dog are more concerned about Republican reaction to a terror attack than safeguarding against the attacks themselves.

timmgirvan 05-20-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Liberals like Hi I'm Dog are more concerned about Republican reaction to a terror attack than safeguarding against the attacks themselves.

Obamas' kumbiya to the worlds nere do wells is all we need for protection!:rolleyes:

pgardn 05-21-2009 09:09 PM

And the liberals are getting on Obama for
increasing the drone attacks against terrorists
within Pakistani territory. Going in harder than
Cheney/bush.

There is no way to please everyone.

People who think Obama is risking security
of this country need to take a hard look at
the bigger picture.

hi_im_god 05-21-2009 11:53 PM

what are the chances he's the nominee in 2012?

because otherwise, isn't he just stealing oxygen from whatever neonatal icu candidate you wind up with at the last minute?

again...not that i mind he keeps inserting himself in the conversation. i'm all for it.

but isn't the fact he remains the public face for your party enough evidence for the bankruptcy of idea's that you can get some troubled intellectual asset relief program funds?

CSC 05-22-2009 06:53 AM

Jesse Ventura absolutely destroys Hasslebeck...Loved his last comment of having Cheney confessing to the Tate murders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgarV13g6QM

gales0678 05-22-2009 07:36 AM

nice job by the fbi/nypd - for over a year they tracked these 4 guys who were intent on blowing up 2 Jewish Temples in riverdale (in the bronx) and then shoot down 2 military planes up in Newburgh - kudos guys thx for keeping us safe!

NY Post - Had it on the front cover yesterday with multiple pages on it

NY Daily News - the story was hard to find

CSC 05-22-2009 10:41 AM

How nice of Dick to come out of the gargage cellar or wherever he has been holding up to grace the world with his prescence once again, :rolleyes:

See he's now inventing words "enhanced interrogation methods", how about calling it torture, we all know what it is. What a bull-$hitter he is, atleast Bush has exited gracefully.

gales0678 05-22-2009 11:44 AM

he may be but he has a point - why not release to the american public what was gleemed from those terrorists and what was prevented because of the torture

Smooth Operator 05-22-2009 01:07 PM

Wunder if that lone surviving pirate thinks that BO is "soft" on terrorists?

timmgirvan 05-22-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wunder if that lone surviving pirate thinks that BO is "soft" on terrorists?

Yeah...Zero is gonna make him take a "timeout" in the corner!

Smooth Operator 05-22-2009 01:41 PM

Heard he was pretty upset cuz the Navy only recovered 14 pieces of his buddy's skull, timm.

Apparently a dozen or so pieces fell into the ocean and floated away.

Honu 05-22-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Heard he was pretty upset cuz the Navy only recovered 14 pieces of his buddy's skull, timm.

Apparently a dozen or so pieces fell into the ocean and floated away.


Good. They should just shoot all those lil bastages on sight . Chop offa dem bulls and shuv em up dey iceholes.

alysheba4 05-22-2009 03:09 PM

waterboarding........f!@#$ing childs play.......i wish they were busting some pulp fiction type of torture on those c!@Ksuckers.

timmgirvan 05-22-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Heard he was pretty upset cuz the Navy only recovered 14 pieces of his buddy's skull, timm.

Apparently a dozen or so pieces fell into the ocean and floated away.


Ye pays yer money and ye takes yer chances,matey!:eek:

pgardn 05-22-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wunder if that lone surviving pirate thinks that BO is "soft" on terrorists?

I would not consider the pirates terrorists.
They are kidnappers and armed robbers.

Businessmen in Italy.

SOREHOOF 05-22-2009 05:33 PM

Jesse Ventura VS Rush in a steel cage match, winner goes bird hunting with Cheney and Obama!

dellinger63 06-05-2009 10:51 AM

wonder why the media has spent so much time bashing Cheney while Pelosi should now be the current pinata.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120761/Ch...gs-Common.aspx

Smooth Operator 06-05-2009 11:38 AM

Can't really blame them ... just way more fun bashing Cheney and Bush

hi_im_god 06-05-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
wonder why the media has spent so much time bashing Cheney while Pelosi should now be the current pinata.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120761/Ch...gs-Common.aspx

because nancy pelosi has enough common sense to understand she can't be a spokesperson for the party given her current high negatives and is staying away from the press.

meanwhile dick cheney has his own suite in the fox green room. what's "the media" supposed to do when he's jumping up and down waiving his arms for attention every week?

you can't have it both ways dell. if they don't cover his nonsense, they're accused of "ignoring the REAL story."

Antitrust32 06-05-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
because nancy pelosi has enough common sense to understand she can't be a spokesperson for the party given her current high negatives and is staying away from the press.

meanwhile dick cheney has his own suite in the fox green room. what's "the media" supposed to do when he's jumping up and down waiving his arms for attention every week?

you can't have it both ways dell. if they don't cover his nonsense, they're accused of "ignoring the REAL story."


I saw an interview on Fox News on Sunday with Cheney and his daughter, Liz. It was very good, he was very respectful to the current POTUS and brought up what he agree's with and what he doesnt agree with. He also stated that he supports same sex marriage.

He stayed very hidden his 8 years as VP, which makes sense because he had a real job to do & it wasnt neccessary to be in front of the camera's 24/7.

People want to make stuff up about him because they dont know much about him.. and bring up ridiculous claims about halliburton and the iraq war. There is no way on earth cheney started a war to make himself money. Thats just plain ignorant.

He's a VERY intelligent man who loves his country. People can say about him what they want, but I dont mind him as the "speaker" of the Republican party.. He is a MUCH better alternative than Limbaugh and Coulter and those losers being the voice of the party.

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:11 PM

Rush is only about ratings. He could give a crap other than what is happening creates ratings. Meanwhile Ann Coulter is a woman with a eating disorder who can't find a partner because she looks like a skeleton man w/long dyed blond hair. Chaney sold off all interest in Halliburton before he got in office and they saw fit to use that company to rebuild the oil fields as JobCorps was qualified to only pick up highway trash. Now that is bipartisian

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
because nancy pelosi has enough common sense to understand she can't be a spokesperson for the party given her current high negatives and is staying away from the press.

meanwhile dick cheney has his own suite in the fox green room. what's "the media" supposed to do when he's jumping up and down waiving his arms for attention every week?

you can't have it both ways dell. if they don't cover his nonsense, they're accused of "ignoring the REAL story."

if Chaney or any other Republican said end of story there is no end. All I'm looking for is fairness. If the CIA lied to Pelosi so be it and let it come out. If Pelosi is lying so be it and let her go home for more plastic surgery.

Danzig 06-05-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
How nice of Dick to come out of the gargage cellar or wherever he has been holding up to grace the world with his prescence once again, :rolleyes:

See he's now inventing words "enhanced interrogation methods", how about calling it torture, we all know what it is. What a bull-$hitter he is, atleast Bush has exited gracefully.

i read an article the other day by thomas sowell...among other things that he said in the article was something along the lines of~ how many american lives are you willing to give up in order to have a terrorist not be put thru some difficulties? not an exact quote, but that was the gist of what he said. i thought he had a point there.
now, we may get a bit squeamish at the thought of not playing nice. but in war, you can't play nice...i've come to the conclusion after much thought that we need to do what we need to do, hopefully within reason, to keep another 9-11 type occurrence from happening.
and like george patton, one of my favorite military heroes ever said....you don't die for your country, you make the other poor bastard die for his country. or something to that effect. old blood and guts knew what it took-he'd never make it in today's oh so political correct world.

Danzig 06-05-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
because nancy pelosi has enough common sense to understand she can't be a spokesperson for the party given her current high negatives and is staying away from the press.

meanwhile dick cheney has his own suite in the fox green room. what's "the media" supposed to do when he's jumping up and down waiving his arms for attention every week?

you can't have it both ways dell. if they don't cover his nonsense, they're accused of "ignoring the REAL story."

no doubt the fair and balanced (lol) fox news is more than happy to have dick cheney on to tell us the world according to himself.

GBBob 06-05-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I saw an interview on Fox News on Sunday with Cheney and his daughter, Liz. It was very good, he was very respectful to the current POTUS and brought up what he agree's with and what he doesnt agree with. He also stated that he supports same sex marriage.

He stayed very hidden his 8 years as VP, which makes sense because he had a real job to do & it wasnt neccessary to be in front of the camera's 24/7.

People want to make stuff up about him because they dont know much about him.. and bring up ridiculous claims about halliburton and the iraq war. There is no way on earth cheney started a war to make himself money. Thats just plain ignorant.

He's a VERY intelligent man who loves his country. People can say about him what they want, but I dont mind him as the "speaker" of the Republican party.. He is a MUCH better alternative than Limbaugh and Coulter and those losers being the voice of the party.

Lori..I'm sorry...but the your entire last two paragraphs should be in the BS thread. He is as scary a dude as there is and if I had my choice, would be deep fried before Bush. He was the CEO of Halliburton and made zillions off the war..he HATES homos but has to admit neutrality because of his daughter..come on...

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i read an article the other day by thomas sowell...among other things that he said in the article was something along the lines of~ how many american lives are you willing to give up in order to have a terrorist not be put thru some difficulties? not an exact quote, but that was the gist of what he said. i thought he had a point there.
now, we may get a bit squeamish at the thought of not playing nice. but in war, you can't play nice...i've come to the conclusion after much thought that we need to do what we need to do, hopefully within reason, to keep another 9-11 type occurrence from happening.
and like george patton, one of my favorite military heroes ever said....you don't die for your country, you make the other poor bastard die for his country. or something to that effect. old blood and guts knew what it took-he'd never make it in today's oh so political correct world.

If 9-11 hapened tomorrow I believe Obama's reaction would be "we 'HOPE' this was not a terrorist attack and just a weird coincidence. The 'suspects' may have been victims as they were ancestors of the inventor of the pen Muhamad Guttenburg, and they invented the arch and spiral so where's the motive? They are a great culture! Maybe it was those nasti Nazi's at work again."

GBBob 06-05-2009 09:44 PM

[ There is no way on earth cheney started a war to make himself money. Thats just plain ignorant.

I feel like Dellinger

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/126227/halliburton's_army:_how_cheney's_former_firm_revol utionized_warmaking_and_screwed_us_in_the_process/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-j...a_b_29635.html

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Lori..I'm sorry...but the your entire last two paragraphs should be in the BS thread. He is as scary a dude as there is and if I had my choice, would be deep fried before Bush. He was the CEO of Halliburton and made zillions off the war..he HATES homos but has to admit neutrality because of his daughter..come on...

come on Bob.....Give us some quotes other than "I love my daughter.."

GBBob 06-05-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
come on Bob.....Give us some quotes other than "I love my daughter.."

Steve'o....even you, after numerous google searches, etc..have to admit that Cheney made gazillions off the Iraq war. And if you don't think that was..um...reasons for him to be "enthusiastic" about starting it...well..your conspiracy theories don't stand a chance. Honestly..of all the right wing whackos I hate, I think there is no more evil, lying, back stabbing son of a bitch than Cheney. I'd rather Nixon marry my daughter than that mother fu*cker.

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
[ There is no way on earth cheney started a war to make himself money. Thats just plain ignorant.

I feel like Dellinger

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/126227/halliburton's_army:_how_cheney's_former_firm_revol utionized_warmaking_and_screwed_us_in_the_process/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-j...a_b_29635.html

Where did Chaney make money? He divested all interest in Halliburton prior to getting in office from what I understand unless he transferred it to his gay daughter that in your words 'he hates'

GBBob 06-05-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Where did Chaney make money? He divested all interest in Halliburton prior to getting in office from what I understand unless he transferred it to his gay daughter that in your words 'he hates'

So all of a sudden you think "divesting" all your interests equals walking way? You?? If Cheney were a Chicago Dem..or any Dem for that matter, you would be singing a way different tune.

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:53 PM

[quote=GBBob]Steve'o....even you, after numerous google searches, etc..have to admit that Cheney made gazillions off the Iraq war. And if you don't think that was..um...reasons for him to be "enthusiastic" about starting it...well..your conspiracy theories don't stand a chance. Honestly..of all the right wing whackos I hate, I think there is no more evil, lying, back stabbing son of a bitch than Cheney. I'd rather Nixon marry my daughter than that mother fu*cker.[/QUOTE

Like Michelle O'B getting that job at Univ of Chicago Hosp that was so necessary but hasn't been filled since she left? I agree then.

dellinger63 06-05-2009 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
So all of a sudden you think "divesting" all your interests equals walking way? You?? If Cheney were a Chicago Dem..or any Dem for that matter, you would be singing a way different tune.

I'll admit my ears would be perked more.


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