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Scurlogue Champ 05-06-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Two massive egos. They may think they can win with anybody aboard.

They probably can.

2 Dollar Bill 05-06-2009 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Think she improves in her first time with Assman?? :rolleyes:

whats the stats on that ???? :confused:

PeteMugg 05-06-2009 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Think she improves in her first time with Assman?? :rolleyes:


:tro:

Not sure I can even process the possibilty.:zz:

Bigsmc 05-06-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ
They probably can.

Sure they can, but as Hoss says, why change anything?

I'm just saying that they have such egos, Bridgmohan (who must have photos of Assmussen) may be aboard.

Coach Pants 05-06-2009 04:52 PM

Borel will choose the filly if douchetits lets him ride.

Riot 05-06-2009 04:53 PM

So who thinks she needs to be in the Preakness?

Coach Pants 05-06-2009 04:55 PM

I wouldn't run her in the preakness. I'd save her for the Belmont and let her work 'em real good.

Bigsmc 05-06-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So who thinks she needs to be in the Preakness?

Apparently Jess Jackson and Steve Assmussen.

Riot 05-06-2009 04:56 PM

Someone saying TVG says done deal, $10+ million and breeding right.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So who thinks she needs to be in the Preakness?


she doesnt need to be anywhere


but if she vetted out great and came out of the Oaks great why not??? Doesnt that track set up perfect for her running style??

I'd win the Preakness... take a break and win the Test @ 7 furlongs and then the Travers.

Doubt thats ever been done before!!!

Riot 05-06-2009 05:02 PM

I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.

Scav 05-06-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.

On TVG right now

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I feel for Wiggins and Borel, a huge career and financial hit for them if they lose her.


You would have to think that Wiggins is making out in this deal too...


and Borel could keep the mount we dont know that?

Travis Stone 05-06-2009 05:09 PM

I would say "Deal!" before they finished saying the word million.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-06-2009 05:12 PM

I think the Preakness would be a better race for her than the Belmont.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:13 PM

can anybody give me a recap about what wiggins said on TVG?

South Beach Luv 05-06-2009 05:13 PM

Will Calvin still ride her?

Scav 05-06-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
can anybody give me a recap about what wiggins said on TVG?

It was Jess Jackson, non-committal on most stuff but said that he is not against running her as a four year old, didn't say when he next start was except that the Acorn is what her current goal is, but was even non-commital on the trainer, wihch I thought was interesting, because i would think it is 1/200 that Assface gets her

Riot 05-06-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
You would have to think that Wiggins is making out in this deal too...
and Borel could keep the mount we dont know that?

I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's co-owner Lauffer for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.

Scav 05-06-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Borel just won the Derby and Oaks, is on the cover of Sports Illustrated and pocketed over $200,000 over the weekend. Poor guy...

While I see what your saying, if Borel got pulled for her just because of a change in ownership, it would be so wrong on so many levels.

Coach Pants 05-06-2009 05:18 PM

If Wiggins gets $250,000 out of the deal he's making out like a bandit...and chances are he'll get much more than that.

Riot 05-06-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Borel just won the Derby and Oaks, is on the cover of Sports Illustrated and pocketed over $200,000 over the weekend. Poor guy...

Guess you don't appreciate her future winnings potential on the racetrack as I do.

Scav 05-06-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's ownership interest for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.

You need to re-word this, it is against ONE of the owners. From all accounts, Morrison and Wiggins have a long standing relationship and a good one at that.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
It was Jess Jackson, non-committal on most stuff but said that he is not against running her as a four year old, didn't say when he next start was except that the Acorn is what her current goal is, but was even non-commital on the trainer, wihch I thought was interesting, because i would think it is 1/200 that Assface gets her


that would be pretty cool if he doesnt go to Assface.

There is absolutely no reason not to run her as a four year old unless she isnt sound of course.

Travis Stone 05-06-2009 05:20 PM

IF she goes, she'll make the Preakness 100x more interesting than it currently is.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I don't know about assuming Wiggins being taken care of by current (or future) owners. Jerry Brown of Thorograph posted publically on his site that he currently has a lawsuit pending against Rachel's ownership interest for not paying the fees after they hired him to find her for them for purchase. That obviously didn't encumber the current sale.

Rachel's owners are not any more impressive to me than her new connections.


you always look at things as glass half empty dont you??

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the owners, and I bet the trainer will be a-o-k also.

It would be stupid to replace Borel on this horse, i doubt it happens unless its Borels choice.

philcski 05-06-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I wouldn't run her in the preakness. I'd save her for the Belmont and let her work 'em real good.

I like your thinking.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Key word there is potential. She could get hurt tomorrow and never run again, you know how quickly things change. Hard for me to feel too bad for the guy considering the kind of run he's on.


its kind of funny... we dont even know if Borel would be replaced and we're already supposed to feel bad for him.

I'm sure he is even happy for the owners right now.

Riot 05-06-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You need to re-word this, it is against ONE of the owners. From all accounts, Morrison and Wiggins have a long standing relationship and a good one at that.

You're right, it's against Lauffer. Done.

Riot 05-06-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Key word there is potential. She could get hurt tomorrow and never run again, you know how quickly things change. Hard for me to feel too bad for the guy considering the kind of run he's on.

I'd sell her for 10 million, too - but I think I'd try and work out a Secretariat-type deal where I could still race her and control the racing career, and they have the majority interest at retirement.

I wouldn't mind seeing Borel's run continue - he's earned it.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I'd sell her for 10 million, too - but I think I'd try and work out a Secretariat-type deal where I could still race her and control the racing career, and they have the majority interest at retirement.

I wouldn't mind seeing Borel's run continue - he's earned it.


:zz:

she doesnt have a pair of nuts between her legs..

that kind of deal wouldnt make sense... unless it was for significantly less money.

Riot 05-06-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
you always look at things as glass half empty dont you??

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the owners, and I bet the trainer will be a-o-k also.

It would be stupid to replace Borel on this horse, i doubt it happens unless its Borels choice.

LOL - no, I'm alot more optimistic and tolerant than many here. But jerks are jerks - having alot of money or making a good sale or having good luck doesn't change their spots.

I doubt the current owners made a deal to take care of Wiggins. I hope I'm wrong. Like you say, it'd be silly to mess with success, we don't know if Wiggins and Borel will be out yet - except Jackson has already hemmed and hawed and avoided answering the question. So they are not "in".

Danzig 05-06-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I'm sorry but it would be way more fun to root for her while being trained by Wiggins and not the ASSMAN! :(

good for the connections though... I bet the money is real nice, for a FILLY! (i'd sell her probably)


argggh, not the ASSman. i'm not surprised-except that it's taken this long for a legit deal to shake out.
someone offers ten mill, ya take it. well, i'd sell most of her, and keep a small % for myself. that way, you get the money, and still keep a piece of her.

but assman?! sheeesh

Danzig 05-06-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Stop it, she would win by a head, I could have anchored Secretariat in the Belmont.....


but your crop skills....surely by five? :D

philcski 05-06-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
LOL - no, I'm alot more optimistic and tolerant than many here. But jerks are jerks - having alot of money or making a good sale or having good luck doesn't change their spots.

I doubt the current owners made a deal to take care of Wiggins. I hope I'm wrong. Like you say, it'd be silly to mess with success, we don't know if Wiggins and Borel will be out yet - except Jackson has already hemmed and hawed and avoided answering the question. So they are not "in".

Chuck can probably fill us in on what the typical trainer cut is on a sale like this. I thought it was 5% or so.

Danzig 05-06-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I would take the one who he said was the best horse he's ever ridden. Do you really want to lose the mount on her for Mine that Bird??

they said rachel drags her exercise rider around, but completely relaxes for calvin.
i'd keep the rider if it was howdie doodie-it obviously works.


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