Let's go back to this point, Steve has stated that it is more to do with sloppiness and not cheating for this one particular incident.

The question for me is I have seen more than my share of "previously trained by" comments in the form and we all know he still has a pretty powerful stable. But he's lost quite a few owners, Melnyk for one. Which again the question to me is why? I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I don't believe enough of the news media has made light of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what is happening here? If anything...

P.S For a time every owner it seemed was flocking to him, now they can't seem to get away fast enough.

He needs to start firing his Asst. Trainers and hiring one's that keep track of what meds each horse is on and withdrawl time . I know Todd cant be at all his barns at once so the people he has running the show for him dont seem to be very competant. I know there have been times when I have screwed up and gave a horse something not knowing it was entered in a race and have went with my head hung low and told the boss right away , believe me I felt like an azz for not knowing the horse was in , but regardless I had to tell him and suffer the azz chewin. This man trains some of the best horses there are and his clients deserve the most able people too do the job , its pretty clear that the Asst. are not doing thier jobs . I mean how hard is it to say hey boss we treated that filly with penicillian cream for her cracked heals or whatever the case may be and we arent sure if she will clear do you want to have her urine tested to make sure. Its very simple to avoid a bad test if people are on top of things and honest.

LOL.. Golf clap...

Not sure who he has on the west coast but TP has some extremely capable assistants.....His man Tristan, at Saratoga this past spring/summer/fall is very good...

They may very well be good horse trainers but with as many positives as this man gets there is alot of miscommunication going on somewhere. I think The Asst. would be the first place to look.

how many has he had in say the last three years????

Ray Paulick indicates that the Pletcher stable believes Wait a While was treated with procaine G penicillin 18 days before the Breeders’ Cup for a resperatory infection.

I dont know dude but didnt he get an eclipse award 2 years ago after serving a suspension?

He only uses trainers above reproach. That's why he's been sending a number of his SoCal horses to John Sadler.

Losing Benzel seems like it's had an effect on him, though. . .

Seth ...after a little bit of a slow start... is certainly now doing pretty well...

but.... I'm thinking that TP took the Training title at Saratoga this past meet and that was after Seth had gone on his own

He has lost several owners and some are using him less eclusively but without knowing the owners' reasons it's hard to pin it on one caus. Maybe those trainers who supported him when he started didn't like the vast increase in the size of his operation. Some may have preferred different assistant trainers and others may have chosen not to stay on as Todd's day rate increased. There are alot of reasons to move from one trainer to another.
I do think that Seth was a great assistant. He is methodical and has a head like an encyclopedia. I cannot imagine that losing him didn't hurt Todd. I don't know Tristan so I can't make any comparision but losing Seth couldn't have been good.

For a guy who's clients can't get away fast enough, he sure has alot of horses.

Actually, Kiaran took the training title this past meet with 17 wins from 62 starts. Pletcher was second with 15 wins from 103 starts. Of the 12 trainers with the most wins, Pletcher had the second worst winning percentage (14.56%) only behind Contessa's dismal 7.5%.

my bad....you are correct.....

Very well could have been. That formulation is given intramuscularly, and it could have been slowly metabolized.

Wow. An antibiotic positive.

Snore.

How many violations has Pletcher had over his career?

Let's see - a mepivicaine positive in an amount so tiny, that the next year the amount of his "positive" became an allowable level.

And this antibiotic positive.

Please share what you have on Pletcher regarding his being a juicing cheater.

Someone just notified me privately of a story that could be breaking about Pletcher, from the Keeneland fall meet.

This person sez people are going back and looking at all available footage that could possibly shed some light.

This rumor, if true, would be a far bigger Pletcher story than a penicillin positive.

The rumor is ... that in the Keeneland paddock, during the fall meet, Pletcher wore a $200 five-fold silk tie ... in a double windsor knot!


Oh. My. Gawd.

Thanks...I was pretty sure TAP didn't have much of a rap sheet

and Michael Wrona thought he was being slandered by Bogey...

probably the same saboteur who hit jones. :rolleyes:

As reported in one of the Paulick Reports, the BC currently only has sanctions against trainers whose horses test positive for anabolic steroids -- no other substances -- per Pam Blatz-Murff, Sr. VP of Racing for the BC.

So, Pletcher's eligibility to participate in next year's BC should not be affected, assuming of course, that he has a horse that qualifies. ;)

good point.

and i almost gagged when i read the assman might get the eclipse.

Dont make assumptions about who is and isnt "juicing". You would be surprised by some of the names that never appear in the papers and seemingly get a pass....

I am going to start cheating next year...look for a better % in 09

I wish:wf

maybe 8th grade

Hey when i was working for jerkens i was right around 210.

And I dont mean to sound harsh but it is really hard to tell who is "cheating" by positives. Most of the real "cheating" is done with substances that dont have tests or the authorities dont know exist. Some guys are pretty brazen and those arent hard to assume. However there are others that would make your head would spin that have done some really shady things.

The current Pletcher positive is a case of murky rules and poor judgement. I have no idea why they would use PP that close since everyone knows (vets) that it lingers and everyone (especially vets and trainers) is supposed to know that the BC horses are "super" tested for hundreds of substances instead of the typical 10 -20.

!!!!

private message me and let me know when. pick out a horse who will be a big price for the first time you do it but scratch him till he finds just the right weak field with a bad favorite or two and we will make big :$: :$:

:D
:tro:

We are going to use the good stuff so weak fields wont be a factor.

but how good? good enough stuff to make Big Booster win the breeders cup sprint?

Let me know when you do. ;) :$:

BTW Who is that horse that I am thinking of that you trained on turf which Jon Court rode that won that stake at Churchill Downs? I can't remember (her?) name, red silks I believe...

Agreed he still has clients, it's the one's he has lost that are abit more confusing. I think there is a reason here beneign as it may be, but not being an insider I guess we will never know just why.

Here's my take on this from a race watching perspective.

In the glory days, Pletcher horses would win, even though, in most cases, they were getting the worst trips, as WIDE Johnny V was up (and giving them his patented, wide, no cover, premature trips). You'd typically see JV beating on these horses on the turn and they'd still have enough to draw in the stretch.
Not happening any longer; these horses are not winning with JV up and, interestingly, in some cases, they'll win with another jock and a better trip.

I have no other evidence but something certainly stinks. Horses typically win when they get favorable trips. Horses winning when they don't get the best trip (or even when they get the worst trip) are a cause for a red flag. The dude was a juicer. No doubt about it. They took his drugs away and he's firing blanks (relative to past years). Having been around in the Oscar and Ferraiola , etc. eras, I'd like to think that I can spot juicers.

The only turf stake i won at CD was the Cardinal and Court was aleady in CA. He did ride Silent Emotion who may have won one of those overnight stakes.

Yeah...and I'm 6'7":)

good enough to make the Green Monkey break his maiden

SILENT EMOTION @ Kentucky Downs ?
not a graded Stake

or an allowance @ Churchill with The Knight Sky?

I dont remember

I agree with this. Would also add that even though the scheduled withdrawal time is 15 days, as you alluded to, it sometimes takes much longer and so administering it even 45 days out could be taking a risk.




For the most part, I agree with this. But with this stuff, you can test on Friday and come up clear and test again on Saturday and find it.