Yes... however the 2nd picture was actually NOT Nordegren, it was the other Swedish model chick that Spyder noted.

What good are you anymore? You get me on tangents yesterday that get me in all sorts of trouble, and then falsified information on celebrity wives....

F*ck google images. Blame them for this one.


Who cares, they both win the Beulah Park racing today

Hammered the Elin - Elin double......or wish I could of.....

Thanks everyone. Nice to read some intelligent and well thought out posts.:tro:

see scott here is where i disagree with you - a lot in life is timing and luck

the democrats wanted the "anti war" candidate , they didn't get it in '04 , but . the thing that killed Hillary this year was that she was running against someone who did not have to cast a vote for "iraq authorization" in 2002

thus obama had the single greatest asset on his side that , edwards, biden ,dodd and clinton didn't have that luxury - edwards cam out early and said he made a mistake on the vote , hillary wouldn't budge , it became a constant thorne for her during the primarys

thus he had the clear path to the nomination because he was not in the senate and did not have to make a vote that the others had to do in 2002

now 86% of hillary voters went for obama in the general, do you really think that if it was hillary and not obama on the ticket that his supporters would have gone for mccain - i highly doubt it

the election was a cakewalk , all the problems that the country faced , no republican was going to win -

the key to obama winning was winning the primary , and democrats wanted to go for a candidate that did not have that vote for iraq in 2002 on their resume - it was that simple

my aunt voted for obama (she votes democrat most of the time), she said the main reason was because sarah palin did not have eneough expiernce to be president and she was afraid mccain may not make the 4 yrs

so i asked here why she didn't vote for clinton in '92 against bush, her response was that she didn't think clinton was ready to be president

so i asked her why if she thought someone who had 2 terms as a governor was not ready to be president , but obama was she didn't have an answer for me...

You should have your Aunt committed -immediately !















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palin became governor in '06, which gives her two years. not two terms. big difference i would think.

I think he was referring to clinton.

oh, i see.

but clinton had more than two terms, so there goes that.

the person she didn't vote for that had 2 terms as a gov was Clinton
she said he wasn't ready , so i asked how she now knew obama who had less exp then uncle bill was ready , she couldn't answer

i think for many it came down to who they thought would be better, obama or palin. many may have thought mccain would be better than obama, but not so many thought it was a given that john mccain would finish his term, maudlin thought that may be.

GPK,I answered too quickly before about what if Obama had not classified himself as Black. I don't think he could have come out and called himself White, it would have ruffled the feathers of all sides

who cares what some half bird voter thinks?

Go look at this, guys:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ace-issue.html

You are right that the opposition to the war in Iraq was the single biggest factor that got him through the primaries. In the end though, when he really surged ahead was when the economy stepped front and center. He inspired far more confidence from the voters that he could lead us out of this recession than McCain did. He was probably winning either way but without the economy coming front and center he loses Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, and Florida and doesn't get a blowout victory in Pennsylvania.