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Danzig 06-22-2008 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Arnold Horshack.

mr. kot-tair.

ateamstupid 06-22-2008 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
just try to imagine all of the memorable big race calls Collmus has made.
there aren't any because when he calls a race it sounds unimportant, bland. 10K claimers or gr1's, no difference.
no doubt in my mind that they took a step backwards when they made the change.

He doesn't have memorable calls because:

1.) He hardly ever gets to announce memorable races.
2.) He doesn't throw in the gimmicky lines that Vic does (I'm not trying to bash Vic, he's obviously one of the best, just saying).

How many memorable calls does Kurt Becker have? Does that make him a worse announcer than Stauffer or Durkin or Denman? IMO, no.

Indian Charlie 06-22-2008 01:25 AM

People complaining about track callers, they've obviously never been graced by any single race call from Bill Gahr. Ghar? Gar?

I remember listening to him in the car when I had a bet and thinking how useless it all was. He was so bad, that one time he called my horse finishing third. I was so suspicious that I called one of those result lines (1980s) a few minutes later and found out that my horse had indeed won!

The day I heard my last Bill Gahr race call on KIEV, with it's compulsory Lathrop Hoffman car ads, well, that was a glorious day!

Rupert Pupkin 06-22-2008 02:54 AM

I think there are only a few race-callers who truly add excitement to a race. My two favorites by far are Vic and Durkin. I think both of those guys really add excitement to a race. In some of those big races, their calls are so good and so exciting that years later when you look back on some of those great races, you not only remember the race but you remember the great call.

Rupert Pupkin 06-22-2008 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
People complaining about track callers, they've obviously never been graced by any single race call from Bill Gahr. Ghar? Gar?

I remember listening to him in the car when I had a bet and thinking how useless it all was. He was so bad, that one time he called my horse finishing third. I was so suspicious that I called one of those result lines (1980s) a few minutes later and found out that my horse had indeed won!

The day I heard my last Bill Gahr race call on KIEV, with it's compulsory Lathrop Hoffman car ads, well, that was a glorious day!

Bill Garr was a piece of work. He has got to be the worst of all times. A race caller is obviously very important when you are listening on the radio because you can't see the race. You are depending on the race-caller to describe what is happening. With Garr, even after the horses had past the 1/16th pole you had no idea what was going on. He would say, "And as they come down to the wire it will be.........". And you would have no idea who he was going to call. Sometimes he would say, "As they come down to the wire, it is so-and-so quickly pulling away to win by 8 lengths." And you had no idea that the horse that was pulling away by 8 was even winning the race until Garr called him in front by 8 at the wire.

Old English Rancho was one of the regular sponsors of the show. They always had commercials on there every week. If my memory is correct, the law offices of Dirnfeld and Zelner had commercials on there too. Bill Garr seemed like a nice old guy. He just couldn't call a race. I'm not sure whether he is still alive. If he is, he must be well into his 80s.

Indian Charlie 06-22-2008 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Bill Garr was a piece of work. He has got to be the worst of all times. A race caller is obviously very important when you are listening on the radio because you can't see the race. You are depending on the race-caller to describe what is happening. With Garr, even after the horses had past the 1/16th pole you had no idea what was going on. He would say, "And as they come down to the wire it will be.........". And you would have no idea who he was going to call. Sometimes he would say, "As they come down to the wire, it is so-and-so quickly pulling away to win by 8 lengths." And you had no idea that the horse that was pulling away by 8 was even winning the race until Garr called him in front by 8 at the wire.

Old English Rancho was one of the regular sponsors of the show. They always had commercials on there every week. If my memory is correct, the law offices of Dirnfeld and Zelner had commercials on there too. Bill Garr seemed like a nice old guy. He just couldn't call a race. I'm not sure whether he is still alive. If he is, he must be well into his 80s.

Yeah man, he sure was a suspenseful caller! I can't remember how many times I would scream at my car radio things like "WHO THE FU-K WON THE FU-KING RACE! TELL ME WHO WON!!!" or "How the fu-k did that horse win by 8, you never even called him once in the race!?".

I always kinda wished that Paul Wallach and Bill Garr would have switched radio shows for a week, even though Wallach gave out pretty good restaurant reviews.

ArlJim78 06-22-2008 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He doesn't have memorable calls because:

1.) He hardly ever gets to announce memorable races.
2.) He doesn't throw in the gimmicky lines that Vic does (I'm not trying to bash Vic, he's obviously one of the best, just saying).

How many memorable calls does Kurt Becker have? Does that make him a worse announcer than Stauffer or Durkin or Denman? IMO, no.

Becker is so much better than Collmus it isnt funny. he has crafted his style around the overall image that Keeneland is striving for, and it works. they don't want him to add any bells and whistles to the calls. Collmus seems to being trying to make the Gulfstream racing exciting with his calls, just for me it doesn't work, like it has a screachy phony quality to it.

Bigsmc 06-22-2008 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Pete Grunder!!!!

:eek:
Get it right dumbass.

Richard Grunder.

:cool:

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-22-2008 08:23 PM

top 5 all time

the arlington guy old school and a great guy..name escapes me
durkin
vic
becker..
wrona..

Scav 06-22-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
top 5 all time

the arlington guy old school and a great guy..name escapes me
durkin
vic
becker..
wrona..

Phil Georgeoff?

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-22-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Phil Georgeoff?

bingo ..

jcs11204 06-22-2008 08:47 PM

durkin is a legend, but he butchers tons of names... just this weekend, he messed up at least 3

tector 06-23-2008 12:23 AM

Vic is a moron. He pronounced Nebuchadnezzar as "knee-BACH-an-eezer". Is he that much of an uneducated dolt? And I don't need bogus emotion for every call--I am not an 11 year old watching wrestling, for Christ's sake. Clarity is the number one virtue in a race caller, unless something exceptional is happening on track.

Collmus is underwhelming, but solid.

Rupert Pupkin 06-23-2008 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tector
Vic is a moron. He pronounced Nebuchadnezzar as "knee-BACH-an-eezer". Is he that much of an uneducated dolt? And I don't need bogus emotion for every call--I am not an 11 year old watching wrestling, for Christ's sake. Clarity is the number one virtue in a race caller, unless something exceptional is happening on track.

Collmus is underwhelming, but solid.

Oh yeah? Well I think Tiger Woods is a lousy golfer. So there!

Scurlogue Champ 06-23-2008 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
durkin is a legend, but he butchers tons of names... just this weekend, he messed up at least 3

Maurakalana was a nice one. And it wasn't just once.

It was repeatedly

Scurlogue Champ 06-23-2008 01:46 AM

The Aussies have us beaten hands down.

Those announcers are the best in the world.

AceRothstein 06-23-2008 03:04 AM

Collmus or Stauffer GP 2009 (Poll)
 
Just a heads up. At 8:00am Tues. morning I'm going to print out what's been posted and send it to Gulfstream. So If you'd like to have your voice and opinion heard please share it soon.

BTW great job with all your responses.

Thanks

Ace

SentToStud 06-23-2008 07:03 AM

If my vote counted, I'd say Collmus. Since the next Gulfstream GM is probably a rookie teller at Remington or Thistle right now, my vote probably won't count.

Danzig 06-23-2008 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
durkin is a legend, but he butchers tons of names... just this weekend, he messed up at least 3

tons? more hyperbole....

he calls about 200 horses names out (based on all six horse fields) in a three day period, and you're bitching cause he messed up three?

i wonder how many critics here have messed up three words in a casual conversation, let alone trying to name every horse, keep track of who is where, while also watching a clock-and keeping up with who's up front, as well as the action behind, who's moving forward, who's dropping back-all in far less than 2 minutes most of the time.

Bobby Fischer 06-23-2008 08:38 AM

The best thing I can say about Stauffer, is that he is good for the fans, and that he makes the horses sound great.

That is what these guys in football and the NBA do. A man just ran a piece of leather for 20 feet, and they make it sound historical. They are constantly selling their sport through the mass media. Stauffer gets it.

Stauffer is so convincing, that when you handicap the replay, you kind of have to check the fractions twice and watch a replay again with no sound. -To see if that horse really was that good.

A story to remember is the time Vic Stauffer made Molengao sound so good in the 8.5furlong Mervyn Leroy,lol.
I think I stood up and pumped my fist :D. Every wise guy was picking him to beat Lava Man in Lava Man's 10furlong Gold Cup last year, nearly going off the favorite over Lava Man. Molengao 8/5 , Lava Man 7/5.
Here was a horse that I was tossing from the exacta. The public viewed it as a competitive race. Some of the enthusiasm was in no doubt, at least in part affected by Stauffer's high-energy call of Molengao in the Mervyn Leroy:

"Molengao charges in the center of cushion track... , BUT NOW "MOLENGAO OPENS UP A THREE LENGTH LEAD, LOOK AT MOLENGAO! ROLLLL!L:zz: AWAY! HES SUDDENLY 5 IN FRONT! MOLENGAO WOWWW:eek: thats a big one molengao won by 5..."


The handle for the 2007 Gold Cup was a record 22,000,000 Up 45% from the 2006 handle of 15,000,000. :tro:

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-23-2008 10:31 AM

sometimes 24.1 is SCORCHING FRACTIONS UP FRONT!!..but all in all he does and has done a great job for along time..

CSC 06-23-2008 11:11 AM

Can't remember the guy's name Wrona I think...but the Aussie guy from Golden Gate and or Bay Meadows is very entertaining and his calls are pretty descriptive. With Trevor Denman slipping in the past few years I think this guy is better right now.

jcs11204 06-23-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
tons? more hyperbole....

he calls about 200 horses names out (based on all six horse fields) in a three day period, and you're bitching cause he messed up three?

i wonder how many critics here have messed up three words in a casual conversation, let alone trying to name every horse, keep track of who is where, while also watching a clock-and keeping up with who's up front, as well as the action behind, who's moving forward, who's dropping back-all in far less than 2 minutes most of the time.

NOT BITCHING AT ALL
just stating a fact

Coach Pants 06-23-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AceRothstein
Just a heads up. At 8:00am Tues. morning I'm going to print out what's been posted and send it to Gulfstream. So If you'd like to have your voice and opinion heard please share it soon.

BTW great job with all your responses.

Thanks

Ace


jballscalls 06-23-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Make sure you send it already crumpled up, to save them some time.

Sharpest post i've seen yet.

Uncle Daddy 06-23-2008 08:37 PM

I will chime in for Vic as I enjoy his style, enthusiasm and don't care if 1 out of 120 horses a day have their name mis-pronounced.:tro:

I doubt Magna GP will treat either with a :great deal of professional respect. We could use VJS at Pinnacle Raceway in July!

stonegossard 06-23-2008 08:45 PM

Stauffer is one of the few race callers that I instantly hit "mute" on the tv. His calls are annoying. Bring back Luke K. Collmus calls races fine...no annoying extra crap.

Danzig 06-23-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I love Durkin, but he had a pretty bad weekend.

everyone has their moments. just most of us don't have them in front of a national audience. better him than me.

Danzig 06-23-2008 09:21 PM

all i can say is, if you're getting ready to complain about ANY caller....tune to coverage of turfway, and listen to battaglia for a bit. it'll put everything in perspective for you, and you'll forget about whichever caller you were going to complain about.

it could ALWAYS be worse.

stonegossard 06-23-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
all i can say is, if you're getting ready to complain about ANY caller....tune to coverage of turfway, and listen to battaglia for a bit. it'll put everything in perspective for you, and you'll forget about whichever caller you were going to complain about.

it could ALWAYS be worse.


Battaglia is the worst by far. He will say a horse is making a huge move when in actuality the horse is wide 8th and has no shot. The worst hands down.

v j stauffer 06-23-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Stauffer is one of the few race callers that I instantly hit "mute" on the tv. His calls are annoying. Bring back Luke K. Collmus calls races fine...no annoying extra crap.

Jeez. I thought as least my girlfriend wouldn't post.:eek:

TheGoodWithTheBad 06-24-2008 12:09 AM

I vote for Vic! I think he is one of the best race callers out there. He has passion and love for our sport and I enjoy that in his calls. I love horse racing so much more because of him. I very much believe that he deserves a second chance at Gulfstream. Go get 'em, Ace!!

georgeo 06-24-2008 12:56 AM

vic
 
Let me try this again.

My vote is for Vic.

I lived in Hialeah when I first heard Vic calling races. I was the host of my own TV show and owned a few horses, but really have been a horse racing enthusiast since 1977.

I remember being starstruck with Vic and did everything I could to meet him. to me he was a true star. He is enthusiastic, clear and passionate.

I think horse racing is the most exciting sport around. Whether you own a horse or are betting on a race, it is tremendously exciting. Yet for years I often thought, "are these race callers watching the same races I am watching?" The race calls were extremely boring and monotonous. Collmus is a very solid race caller, and I am sure he is a nice guy, but he certainly falls into this boring category.

Vic brings true excitement to this truly exciting sport. If I owned a race track and had my choice between Collmus or Stauffer. It would be a no brainer. I would pic Stauffer everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Indian Charlie 06-24-2008 01:00 AM

Chris Lincoln.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-24-2008 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Jeez. I thought as least my girlfriend wouldn't post.:eek:

i wouldent go there until they improve thier product...

stonegossard 06-24-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Jeez. I thought as least my girlfriend wouldn't post.:eek:


Your girlfriend mutes your calls of Hollywood races also ? Smart girl......


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