Originally Posted by Danzig

what's wrong dahoss, the tone getting too shrill in here?:D

or was it the 'heatseeker can run with curlin' comment??

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If the fact that he hasn't produced a top 2YO or 3YO dirt horse in this country in the past three years doesn't matter (First Samurai was in his first crop), then why then has his advertised stud fee dropped from $300,000 to $125,000?

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i disagree... how is dirt king still ? dont get me wrong, i love dirt, and i hate synthetic, i would prefer every track dirt, but the next 2 breeders cup's are more then likely on AWT.... major tracks keenland and arlington, woodbine, all of Cali.... As much as i hate to say it AWT is taking over...

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on now.

Originally Posted by Danzig

churchill, belmont, saratoga. dirt is still the #1 surface here, regardless of cali. as for keeneland, they are part owner of an AWT company, so no joke they switched.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

giants causeway has the potential to be one of the best sires ever, i have been saying that for years....

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i said i think, and if not heatseeker then who else ?

if they raced today on AWT, who wins ?

Originally Posted by jcs11204

125 is a bargain

Originally Posted by Danzig

i really have no idea, and i don't think it'll ever happen anyway. i usually will talk about what has happened, not speculate about things that probably won't.
heatseeker couldn't beat tiago (and yes, he was giving weight) so i''m supposed to think he can get curlin out of a canter?

i don't think any horse out there, based on current form, can beat curlin on dirt.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

listen i hope dirt remains 1 forever, but if any sire is strong on AWT they can make it here....

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell no it isn't.

Originally Posted by Danzig

everyone has said throughout this thread that GC needs to produce on dirt, and now you're talking about AWT?! nice recovery.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think he will prove to be a better sire than my all-time favorite horse, Sunday Silence?
Right now of course, he isn't anywhere close to the same league as SS, but even if you think he'll get there someday, do you mind if I use the time we're waiting for that day to come composing dozens of posts a day reminding everyone that Sunday Silence was a really good sire?

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am making the point that... he does not have to produce on dirt
because AWT is a huge part of are racing...make sense ?

Originally Posted by jcs11204

125 is a bargain

Originally Posted by jcs11204

because the breeders cup classic, are biggest race.. will be run on that for the next 2 years

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, he does to be considered a top sire. he's marginalized himself. and practically nothing you put on here makes sense.

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'll stipulate that he was a tremendous racehorse, but let's look at the following facts as a stallion: 31% winners from foals; 5% stakes-winners; median earnings of $14,599; and an AEI of 1.98 versus a CI of 3.55. That hardly qualifies as a "bargain" at $125,000.

Originally Posted by Danzig

what? do you mean are or our?

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think i am making sense... why does he need a great dirt horse, when there are major meets on poly, synthetic all weather or whatever you want to call it ....

Originally Posted by jcs11204

our... so the convo is over now ? your going to start this ? thats fine, i will say anything else in the thread

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't it a little unfair to compare Storm Cat to Northern Dancer, Mr. Prospector, or Raise A Native?

I'm no pedigree expert but I don't see how that's a fair comparison.

NT

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think i am making sense.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

today is race day... its actually a deep group... i like one of the indian charlies, i dont like the one coming from cali! i also like the 1 entry

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice PG'85 Giants Causeway impersonation.

It's a loaded 55K stake anyway - Sweet Hope is back on dirt and in there. Puskita and Indian Way are obviously both very talented and will be the two to beat.

I expect a few scratches for sure.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

First a disclaimer for people who haven't figured out yet that I'm probably the biggest fan of Indian Charlie (the horse version) in the world. I follow his progeny fairly closely.

That out of the way, two of the very impressive recent maiden filly winners he's had, Puskita and Indian Way, somehow ended up in the same race at Delaware Park on the 23rd.

Indian Way's debut was at SA back in April. She hopped at the start and was off real slow. She was about ten back early on and then went seven wide while rallying up for third.

She made her next start about a month later and got away cleanly. She was up near the lead and drew off as they turned for home for an easy five length win in about 114.3, over a ridiculously fast track.

I don't expect this one to be around very long as she's trained by Harty.

Puskita debuted May 25th at Pimlico off of only two published works. In what I felt was a stunning debut, she pressed just off the pace and drew off to win by 15 in 110.3, over a pretty slow track. She only got a 96 BSF for that performance, but man, she looked like a freight train coming down the lane!

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Do you remember Sweet Hope from the Keeneland Sale? She worked :20 1/5.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes.

I bet her in her US debut - and touted her on Steve's show with the assumption that she was a Euro flop and the meds over here might bring her back to life.