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the_fat_man 06-04-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I don't really trust him. . . The Pimlico race was HUGE but the grass that day was probably worse than its "good" rating and nobody else in the field fired. Bounce-believers (not me) could point to that too.

I just looked at his 2nd race at SAR. His 1st one was excellent and I wanted to see if he'd had a trouble trip. He wasn't really pinched back or steadied, to any meaningful degree. In fact, positionally, he got a perfect inside (draft) out trip. The shape of the race didn't work to his advantage, however. This guy can thus fire 2 good ones in a row.

In Fat Land, his last race was off the charts.

A case where I think others are better but I can't overlook that last race.

Then again, I still can't get over his 1st race back this year.

hockey2315 06-04-2008 06:50 PM

Good insight. Thanks.

jcs11204 06-04-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know who I like. The race was carded a few hours ago and it's not for 3 more days. I haven't even looked at the PP's, looked at replays and who knows how the turf is going to be. You're like the kid at Thanksgiving dinner that keeps coming to the adult table and bothers everyone.

you make no sense... i dont care if the card is a week away... the pp's are out, and i already have most of the bets i will make race day....

here is my pick 4......


2/2,3,4,5,9/1,3,4,5,6,9,11/5

for 35 i think that ticket has gigantic potential.

blackthroatedwind 06-04-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
you make no sense... i dont care if the card is a week away... the pp's are out, and i already have most of the bets i will make race day....

here is my pick 4......


2/2,3,4,5,9/1,3,4,5,6,9,11/5

for 35 i think that ticket has gigantic potential.


I'm impressed. I printed the pps out as soon as the numbers were up, around 4:15, and other than doing Byk's show for a half an hour, and taking another short break for dinner, I have been working straight through....and I still have another hour or so to go.

You're fast!

jcs11204 06-04-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm impressed. I printed the pps out as soon as the numbers were up, around 4:15, and other than doing Byk's show for a half an hour, and taking another short break for dinner, I have been working straight through....and I still have another hour or so to go.

You're fast!

lol... i cant tell if your being serious... i have the strangest feeling that in some way you are making fun of me.

lol... anyway im not betting much, i am putting in that pick 4, then a number of pick 3's and thats it... i also have my early pick 3

race #1
1,4,8,11/2,4,8/3,8

blackthroatedwind 06-04-2008 09:02 PM

I think you should make Saturday your biggest non-internet handle ever.

jcs11204 06-04-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think you should make Saturday your biggest non-internet handle ever.

ok can we get serious now...
what do you do with benny the bull ? class wise he lays over this group, but everyone knows horses always dont come back from dubai the same, most horses need at least a race back... the only thing is this field IMO, did not come up that deep or talented... what does everyone else think? then there is abraaj who comes off of a layoff, and runs gigantic, horse he beat has since came back and run huge.... but abraaj is stepping way up, the only other time he raced against this class did not end up good for him.

jcs11204 06-04-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Here's a little tip, there is no rule that you have to have your bets already 3 days away. Take a little time, handicap a little. We all can see you could definitely use some help. The only person that doesn't see it is you. I guess if you actually did bet you would care a little about handicapping, but when you're playing with monopoly money I the best thing is to just throw some crap on the wall and hope it sticks.

lol.. whatever i do bet... and you know that... and where in that ticket am i missing anything ? teach me

philcski 06-04-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Here's a little tip, there is no rule that you have to have your bets already 3 days away. Take a little time, handicap a little. We all can see you could definitely use some help. The only person that doesn't see it is you. I guess if you actually did bet you would care a little about handicapping, but when you're playing with monopoly money I the best thing is to just throw some crap on the wall and hope it sticks.

I knew a guy who threw sh!t on the wall to see if it stuck.


He's in a mental institution now.

Bobby Fischer 06-04-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I knew a guy who threw sh!t on the wall to see if it stuck.


He's in a mental institution now.

but i still have internet access!

philcski 06-04-2008 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
but i still have internet access!

Your facility has it too?
I thought we were the only lucky ones!!!


Back to pacing in circles, muttering about the beats I took back in '03 at Yavapai...

the_fat_man 06-04-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No I don't know that. And I gave up trying to help you out. It's pointless and a gigantic waste of time. Good luck.

Awwwwwwww


give him another chance, Hoss

spread some of that wisdom

the boy wants to learn

pick4 06-04-2008 09:41 PM

The first race on Belmont Stakes Day will be worth watching with the Woody Stephens Stakes in mind. Commandeered was close to the pace in the sprint on Preakness day and was passed by Silver Edition. If Desert Key runs, he was very close to the lead throughout that 5/14 overnight stakes @ Belmont where they ran a hole through the wind through the first part of the 6 1/2 furlong race and finished the final 1/2 furlong in 7 seconds.

the_fat_man 06-04-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Two nights in a row huh? You really want to get into it? Shouldn't you be catching up on The Bachelorette or some of those Sex in the City episodes you missed Macho Man?

A forum member reaches out to you for help and not only do you turn your back on him, you attack me as well.

I'm getting a kick out of all you MoFo's attacking Saturday's card.

jcs11204 06-04-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
A forum member reaches out to you for help and not only do you turn your back on him, you attack me as well.

I'm getting a kick out of all you MoFo's attacking Saturday's card.

HOSS IS NOT RIGHT... sometimes he trys being my friend, then he acts like this... i do have some backround in the medical field, and i think he's bi-polar

blackthroatedwind 06-04-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
HOSS IS NOT RIGHT... sometimes he trys being my friend, then he acts like this... i do have some backround in the medical field, and i think he's bi-polar


Let me guess.....is there a lobotomy involved?

jcs11204 06-04-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Let me guess.....is there a lobotomy involved?

trust me i know.

ArlJim78 06-04-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Let me guess.....is there a lobotomy involved?

perhaps it was counseling sessions with nurse Ratched.

blackthroatedwind 06-04-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
perhaps it was counseling sessions with nurse Ratched.


Perhaps?

miraja2 06-04-2008 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
HOSS IS NOT RIGHT... sometimes he trys being my friend, then he acts like this... i do have some backround in the medical field, and i think he's bi-polar

If you and KRIM had a few babies, I bet they would be the craziest people in the whole history of time...................................
...............................and....I bet they would all claim to have some association with the medical field.

philcski 06-05-2008 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
If you and KRIM had a few babies, I bet they would be the craziest people in the whole history of time...................................
...............................and....I bet they would all claim to have some association with the medical field.

I just threw up a little

pgardn 06-05-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Would like to hear more from you guys on this one. I caught that big beast Stalingrad last out at 2nd choice, but this is another class. I am tossing BTN from the exacta.

Who do ya like ?

Dancing Forever. Hopefully Stalingrad
goes forth early and tires.
AT what price I have not a clue.

Wide Open though.

my miss storm cat 06-06-2008 06:46 PM

My lock of the day is Abraaj in the True North.

Maybe he'll even do better then todays lock... Hatta. :( :D

Nice horse...

Handicappy 06-06-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Would like to hear more from you guys on this one. I caught that big beast Stalingrad last out at 2nd choice, but this is another class. I am tossing BTN from the exacta.

Who do ya like ?

Shakis finally gets the firm turf he loves and should be coming in the stretch. Stream of Gold has been the most consistent horse in the field over the last 6 races. He comes in with a good joc change, bullet, and will be fit and well rested.

Pedigree Ann 06-07-2008 06:01 AM

Just got through the Just a Game and Acorn and was struck by the possible pace scenarios of these two races. In the first there seems to be no pace horse except Bayou's Lassie, who showed last out just how dangerous she is when loose on the lead. And in the second, all the runners look like they want to be on the front-end, except Golden Doc A; will they set it up for her finishing kick?

hockey2315 06-07-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Just got through the Just a Game and Acorn and was struck by the possible pace scenarios of these two races. In the first there seems to be no pace horse except Bayou's Lassie, who showed last out just how dangerous she is when loose on the lead. And in the second, all the runners look like they want to be on the front-end, except Golden Doc A; will they set it up for her finishing kick?

Might wanna go through them again.

Pedigree Ann 06-07-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Dancing Forever. Hopefully Stalingrad
goes forth early and tires.
AT what price I have not a clue.

Wide Open though.

Better Talk Now has his rabbit in today. Shake the Bank will set the pace and anyone who goes with him will be well and truly cooked.

the_fat_man 06-07-2008 01:03 PM

In track and field or cycling events, the field typically DISREGARDS the rabbit. They know the rabbit is only in there to set an honest pace and never engage him. ONLY in horse racing do others feel the need to engage the rabbit. Wonder why that is.

Your theory would be a good one IF there weren't any other closers in the race.

pgardn 06-07-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
In track and field or cycling events, the field typically DISREGARDS the rabbit. They know the rabbit is only in there to set an honest pace and never engage him. ONLY in horse racing do others feel the need to engage the rabbit. Wonder why that is.

Your theory would be a good one IF there weren't any other closers in the race.

Once again horses are not people.
OTHERS are not the jocks in most cases.
The OTHERS are horses.

The comparison is asinine.
You need to get on the back of a horse
who wants to chase a rabbit. I would
love to see you settle a 1000 lb animal
who wants to go, instead of skinny tubes
of some carbon fiber that has no mind of
its own.

BTW, dogs feel the need to chase rabbits.
That being said there are a lot of closers
so I dont think the rabbit wipes out these
players.

CSC 06-07-2008 07:53 PM

The one thing I learned today is to never doubt yourself, your initial reactions and observations of a race, especially after Harlem Rocker's bad race at Woodbine last week it is natural a bit of doubt may enter the equation. But after J BE K ran them off their feet in the Woody Stephen's it is gratifying to know maybe your observations are correct ones.

It reaffirmed to me that Harlem Rocker's win in the Wither's over the latter was something only a very good horse could do.

Harlem Rocker can bounce back and I believe he will make ammends for that off race last week if not by winning the Queens Plate but something else down the line perhaps the Dandy or even the Travers ? Time will tell on this one.


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