Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us.

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And by the way ... the Star Of David is not a religious symbol ... because ... both within and outside the Jewish community ... it only achieved status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic ... or with the insignia of individual families or communities. But despite its very equivocal history ... Jews were attracted to its design ... and have sought to ascribe it more significance. That's what resulted in its being adopted on the Israeli flag ... not any religious significance.

[quote=dalakhani] The US has done everything in their power to avoid killing civilians in Iraq. I know that plenty of civilians got killed any way. That is an unfortunate consequence of war.
What's funny though is how you would knock America for killing civilians unintentionally, but you do not knock these terrorists who intentionally blow up a marketplace in Iraq intentionally killing 50 Iraqi civilians. I guess you think that when terrorists blow up a market place in Iraq that they are actually not terrorists but "freedom-fighters".

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us."

Yes, you are 100% correct. I think the proof of that is 9/11. But it's really even worse than that. Not only would they kill all Americans if they could, they would even kill other Muslims if these other Muslims had slightly different beliefs. Look at Iraq right now. All these terrorists do is bomb innocent civilians in restaurants and market places. They're just killing other Muslims.

Yeah, Rupe ... I addressed this "freedom-fighter" nonsense on another thread some time ago.

I completely silenced everyone when I pointed out that a "freedom-fighter" is someone who fights to make people free ... not to subjugate them and/or kill them if they refuse to be subjugated.

And as you noted ... the self-same "freedom fighters" do not hesitate at all to murder their co-religionists and fellow countrymen who disagree with their political aims and tactics.

I also pointed out that the true freedom-fighters in the past 65 years ... have been the members of the American armed forces ... who have liberated billions of people in scores of countries throughout the world from murderous tyrants ... and never once tried to conquer or subjugate anyone.

But there's no shaming these people ... they're so filled with hatred that they can feel no shame.

In america we respect all religions, including Islam. You seem to differentiate between terrorists and Islamic terrorists, which illustrates your real thoughts. I have no problem with Israel, but they are an insignificant little country and they are like a leech that has attached itself to the US for protection. Fight your own battles and do it with your own money. As for us all being worried about being attacked by terrorists, well we would probably be safer if we put some distance between the US and Israel. It isn't making me any safer by siding with any of these insignificant little Stone Age countries like Israel. No oil, no need for us to be nice. That simple.

No I don't. This thread is about Islamic terrorists.

If you wish to talk about another type of terrorist ... then start another thread ... and we can have that discussion there.

No matter the size of a country ... its people are never insignifcant.

All men are endowed with unalienable rights ... including those from small countries.

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]
The US military is great. The greatest people on earth. Our leadership is weak though in the White House. They are incompetent and didn't listen to the military leaders when planning a war. Notice how almost all of these neocons never served a day in the military. Dick Cheney and Wolfowitz and the attorney for the traitor Marc Rich, Scooter Libby, all found a way to get out of fighting. It isn't the US governments role to play George Washington and liberate countries, its role should be to play France (in the revolutionary war) and help countries liberate themselves. The problem is companies like Halliburton wouldn't be making as much cash though if that was the case.

You just make yourself look foolish when you say that Israel should fight its own battles.

In fact they have ... this "insignificant" country of 6 million people ... has been butt-whipping countries with populations of hundreds of millions for the past 60 years.

Except the people in Lebanon or the Palestinians. Right?

Get a reality check, Israel is a little league team and countries like the US and China are the big leagues.

For the 20th time, protect yourself, just do it with your own money. You seem to have no response to this.

name just one.

With the money they get from US tax payers. Why is some poor guy in america funding their wars? It is an insignificant country. Get it through your head. There is nothing there. No oil. Nothing. Why should the US care? We don't care about much larger countries in Africa or South America, do we.

That is the type of utterly delusional thinking I was referring to in an earlier post. If you really think that the murders would stop if Israel were annihilated ... then you're really beyond hope.

And is "oil" your criterion for helping allies? France, Belgium, and China ... among many others ... had no oil back in the early 1940's ... so ... was it a mistake to liberate them?

And referring to Israel as "Stone Age" is beyond ignorant ... Israel is one of the most modern and technologically advanced nations on the face of the earth.

You need to re-think ... or get some professional treatment. Maybe a Jewish psychiatrist can help you.

Not to mention technology. And how about what they got from the French?

Why do we send more money to Israel than any other country? Can someone explain that without a smokescreen?

With US money they are so advanced. WE could do the same thing anywhere and not have all the problems with the Arab states and maybe get a break on some oil.

Our problems with the terrorists go down by at least 90% if we stop this ridiculously slanted policy toward Israel.

why do we pay so much to them anyway?

Maybe getting laid by a nice Jewish girl would help YOU!!

i dont think he could get it up unless he went to Limbaugh's viagra pusher.

China, France, Belgium, etc, were countries that were part of a world war started by someone else. The US started the war in Iraq. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?

I could care less if Israel is there or not. How does it affect my country? It is their job to use their own money and protect themselves. Explain to me why my tax dollar is funding the Israeli military? I am still waiting for this.

Any country that exists on a piece of land because they say God gave it to them, is living in the Stone Age. Are we going to give the land back to the American Indian? No, the world is the way it is because that is how it is. This God stuff, and chosen people stuff, which the Jews once claimed, and it now seems christians want to consider themselves, is dangerous. It is the same type of thinking that these "Islamic terrorists" you like to refer to have.

Yom Kippur War...Bingo!

[Raising hand and waving it frantically] Me ... me ... me ... me !!!!

We send Israel money to defend itself ... and they do defend themselves ... without any help from the U.S. beyond the monetary ...

... we send Israel money to defend itself because Israel is a small, free democratic country ... which has been under attack by much larger tyrannical dictatorships.

You see ... that's the American Way ... we don't like to see free people attacked by tyrants ... we help them fight back. And if they can't fight back ... we do the job for them ... as we did in WWI ... WWII ... Korea ... Vietnam ... Grenada ... Kuwait.

Fortunately ... the 6 million Israelis are quite capable of kicking butt against hundreds of millions of their enemies ... so we've never had to do the fighting for them.

There ... that's the answer you were looking for.

Jewish girls are great as long as they aren't religious fanatics. The jewish girl I dated in college wanted me to tell her parents how my great grandfather was jewish just so they were ok with me. That is insanity. I just wanted to get laid and they were concerned about who my great grandfather was. Crazy religious people.

This guy is just a far right zionist wing-nut.

Says he's got degrees up his a ss, but really can't put together anything constructive other than to support killing innocent Arabs. ....
"Bomb Damascus!" Bomb Tehran!" He just doesn't get it. In the meantime he supports the oppression by Israel of the impoverished Palestinians and suggests they vacate and go back to Africa.

Sixty years ago, the Israelis were roaming Europe and Asia. If they don't work to find a way to live in peace with the Palestinians, theyll be marching again sometime during the next 60 years.

I'm so tired of this a sshole saying the rest of the world should stop picking on, as he calls it, "Teeny tiny Israel." Yeah, right the same teeny tiny Israel with the world's 4th largest military paid for by yours truly.

Israel has f'ed up so bad in Lebanon time after time.

The worst thing Israel does is they DO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. Hell, they traded 400 Arab prisoners to get back Elhanan. Yeah, great move there. Maybe they can trade 1,000 for one this time and set the world back another 20 years.

So Israel doesn't have their own money? It didn't look like Ariel Sharon was missing too many meals. Stop with the american way nonsense. It sounds like your first loyalty isn't even to america. Your right we never had to fight for them, people like my grandfather just had to go over and save them from the Nazis. Now groups like AIPAC are lobbying for the US to take on Iran. Maybe groups like AIPAC should realize in america the first priority is america.

If Israel was smart they would move. Find somewhere else to live. Any rational person can see technology will eventually allow some extremists to blow up their little country. It is inevitable.

Really? I can think of a number of other countries that couldnt find their way against worse tyrannies and bullies than the ones that Israel faces.

Why didnt we help the people of Cambodia against Pol Pot or there oppressive neighbors? All we did was bomb them.

Why didnt we help all of those eastern bloc countries in the fifties when all they had were rocks?

Why dont we help the palestinians whose land is being constantly encroached upon by...Israeli settlers????LOL

Why dont we help some of the neighbors to china?

Why is all of this money pouring into Israel?

Question still unanswered.

We've paid billions to the Arabs, and we supplied them with arms and aircraft!

Are you intentionally mixing apples with oranges as a smokescren ... or don't you realize just how dumb your post is?

China, France, and Belgium were attacked by tyrants. And we went to their aid ... not just with money ... but with troops. So too has Israel been attacked ... again and again I might add ... but in their case we have just sent money and/or supplies. So where do you see a categorical difference in our response to both situations?

And what does the liberation of Iraq ... from a brutal, vicious tyrant ... have to do with this thread? If you want to discuss that ... please start another thread.

THEY HAVE OIL and it stays cheap in return . Is that too difficult for you to figure out. We get something in return. WHAT DO WE GET FROM GIVING MONEY TO ISRAEL? Just headaches. :eek:

But we only send the Palestinians sling-shots!

So ... France, Belgium, and China didn't have their own money?

Stay on topic little Johnny! Stay on topic!

We aided countries because it benefitted us. Israel should defend itself, just not with my money. Why should a poor/middle class person in america give money to Israel? So a rich person in Israel doesn't have to pay as much in taxes? The US gets nothing for its aid.

Yeah ... the French, Belgians, and Chinese should have just moved too.

And Israel's annihilation is about as ineveitable as the world being taken over by communism. Do you remember that little canard ... about how "inevitable" communism was?

You're being delusional again. Communism wasn't inevitable ... and neither is Israel's annihilation.

S2S: we've talked of this before..All that cash doesn't trickle down to the Palestinian people....Arafat and cohorts took care of that. As for Israel, its' riches lay underground in the form of trillions of $$$$ in minerals

It is impossible to stay on topic when you are completely wrong. Giving aid to Israel not only hurts the US taxpayer but also is a strategic liability. The US would have tons more leverage in the world if it just let Israel sink or swim by itself.

When Israel finds oil then we can talk. You would think land given to them by God would have included some oil. :eek:

Great, well get the dam minerals and stay out of my paycheck. You are delusional about the trillion dollars in minerals anyway. That is funny. I guess nobody got around to getting them. LOL. The US shouldn't give aid to the Palestinians either unless they discover oil.

Israeli minerals ... yes.... one of my current favorites is First Israel Fund (ISL). PAid a hefty 10% dividend a few months back.

The question was answered ... you just didn't like the answer.

And maybe you missed it ... but the countries of eastern Europe have all been liberated ... with enormous help from us ... they're all free democracies now ... and your beloved Soviet Union is in the garbage can.

Too bad our efforts on behalf of Cambodia weren't successful at first. Your commie buddies slaughtered innocent people by the millions. But our continued efforts have finally managed to unshackle Cambodia ... and it's well on its way to freedom.

I don't know whom you're referring to as "neighbors to China." We've certainly helped South Korea to be a free, democratic, prosperous country ... and hopefully we'll take care of North Korea some day. Mongolia is also a free democracy. Poor Tibet though has been under the communist boot for over fifty years. Short of nuking Peking ... I don't know what we can do to help them in their remote mountainous country.

And finally ... (whew!) ... the Palestinian's "land" is in Arabia ... a very large and wealthy country. Why don't they "move" there?

Ooops ... I forgot ... the Saud family controls the Arab homeland and they're keeping all its wealth for themselves ... and keeping their Palestinian "brothers" out at the point of a bayonet.

You are so biased it isn't even funny. You are completely irrational. Saudi Arabia has Oil. Israel does not. Why don't you get some of your brilliant scientists do create synthetic oil or something.

For the 30th time now, explain to me how it benefits the US to give billions of aid to a country that has nothing for us. Iraq has oil. I see that. Saudi Arabia oil. Israel- what are they going to give us, sand? :eek:

Give me the answer to this question, WHY IS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN GIVING AID TO ISRAEL? SO ISRAELIS DON'T HAVE TO PAY MORE IN TAXES? Just raise Israelis taxes and you can buy all of the American made weapons you want.

Ummm ... weren't you in an earlier post inveighing over how expensive oil is?

And I already answered the question as to what we get from giving money to Israel ... but I'll do it again since you didn't understand it the first time ...

What we get is ... the satisfaction of knowing that we've lived up to our American principles ... of defending freedom from tyranny. That may seem less important to you than having gas for your Yugo ... but to people who understand the importance firm principles play in determining the destiny of nations ... it's really much more important than the price of oil.

I'm delusional?? Read a book once in a while!