Is this taking into consideration just how bad the Distaff division is? Possibles for the race are; Balance, Indian Vale, Miss Shop, Mo Cuishle, and Unbridled Belle.

It's a semantics discussion.

Are we all allowed to use both sides of our mouths or only u Master?

Balance and Indian Vale, and even Unbridled Belle, are considerably better than the field for the Ruffian. I suppose Ginger Punch can win but I have certainly been looking forward to a reasonable spot to bet against her. As things stand now this looks like it. But, you never know.

Obviously she's a horse who has built a reputation that I don't think is justified. Maybe when I look at the pps I will feel differently.

Haven't seen a backslide like that since Michael Jackson moonwalked during the Motown 25 celebration show.:D

I would like to say that I totally agree with u on Ginger Punch. I've been waiting and waiting for the bubble to burst on this one.

you said a mouthful !!!!!! and you are spot on. what comes around goes around. if your going to dish it learn to suck it up

Your constant use of the term " master " is as lame as if I constantly called you stupid. It's beneath you...and you know it.

Once again, while I understand the similarities, I think they are two different situations. I am looking to beat a strong favorite who I think is overrated based on names of races and not actual performances.

Sorry that in an effort to defend yourself you can't see the difference between what I said earlier and my thinking a vulnerable odds-on favorite makes for " a good betting race. "

I thought that was DrugS.

handicap races i will...

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I don't need PPs to know I'll be playing Unbridled Belle. Otherwise she might eat me.

I'm going to wait until Purina posts her picks before I decide.

Andy-

Will you be doing a youbet show for this weekend? I always enjoy them . . .

Yes, but since the big races aren't until Sunday we are filming tomorrow night and it won't be up until around noon on Saturday. I'll still try to talk a little about Saturday but I'm going to focus on Belmont Sunday.

Sounds good. . . Thanks!

He was great in the million in 2006:D :p

LOL..that was a good one!

Perfect Drift is a warrior. He runs his guts out every time the gate opens. One has to respect that trait.

but do you really think he could lose here? I mean, this is the worst field i have ever seen for this for race.

9/30: JCGC; Vos; Beldame; JHTC
 

7th (4:10) Vosburgh S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A Beattie Todd M 124 L 3-1
2 2 Park Avenue Ball Bejarano R Ryerson James T 124 L 12-1
3 3 E Z Warrior Espinoza V Baffert Bob 122 L 20-1
4 4 Discreet Cat Gomez G K bin Suroor Saeed 124 L 7-5
5 5 First Defence Castellano J J Frankel Robert 122 L 4-1
6 6 Mach Ride Trujillo E Standridge Steve W 124 L 8-1
7 7 Will He Shine Garcia Alan Romans Dale 124 Blk-On L 20-1
8 8 Talent Search Fogelsonger R Shuman Mark 124 L 10-1



8th (4:41) Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 1 English Channel Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 L 2-5
2 2 Mustanfar Gomez G K McLaughlin Kiaran P 126 L 6-1
3 3 Mission Approved Coa E M Contessa Gary C 121 L 20-1
4 4 Kiss the Kid Elliott S Tarrant Amy 126 L 12-1
5 5 Interpatation Espinoza J L Barbara Robert 126 L 12-1
6 6 Stream of Gold (IRE) Castro E McLaughlin Kiaran P 126 L 8-1
7 7 Green Girl (FR) Garcia Alan Hammond John 123 10-1



9th (5:12) Beldame S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 2 Ginger Punch Bejarano R Frankel Robert 123 L 9-5
1A 8 Sugar Shake Bejarano R Frankel Robert 123 L 9-5
2 1 Miss Shop Castellano J J Jerkens H Allen 123 L 5-1
3 3 Indian Vale Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 L 6-1
4 4 Ice Cool Kitty Luzzi M J Dutrow, Jr. R E 123 L 15-1
5 5 Unbridled Belle Dominguez R A Pletcher Todd A 123 L 9-2
6 6 Mo Cuishle Coa E M Tagg Barclay 123 L 15-1
7 7 Balance Espinoza V Hofmans David 123 L 3-1

A-Coupled: Ginger Punch and Sugar Shake



10th (5:45) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 Brother Bobby Elliott S Forster Grant T 126 L 20-1
2 2 Sun King Garcia Alan Zito Nicholas P 126 L 8-1
3 3 Political Force Velasquez C Jerkens H Allen 126 8-1
4 4 Malibu Moonshine Hill C Contessa Gary C 126 L 30-1
5 5 Curlin Albarado R J Asmussen Steven M 122 L 5-2
6 6 Lawyer Ron Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 L 3-5
7 7 Indy Wind Bejarano R Tarrant Amy 126 L 30-1

Can someone tell me about some of the others against DC? Is it just the case that he wins if only 50% fit, or has he got a race on his hands even if he is almost 100%?

Thanks in advance for answering my ignorance. :D

I'd say he probably needs to be about 90% or so to win. . . The 1, 5, 6, and 8 are pretty good horses and the 1 has earned some HUGE speed figures having things his own way at a lesser track. . .

Thanks for that.

The guy i know that works for Godolphin in the States can't see him being beaten. He says he is fit and ready.

I'm just not a big fan of the horse, so i'm trying to find ways of him getting beaten.

Another horse to pile onto the piece of crap pile. Goes by the name of Discreet Cat.

These horses that never run
 

Are always overrated. He did nothing and even if he did, big deal! I think a horse should have to run a minimum of 5 or 6 races to even be considered horse of the year or divisional leader, they have minimums in baseball for the batting title and era title.

I've been very wrong about many more races in my life than I've been right. Play the game long enough and just about everyone ends up at the same percentage.

It is profitable handicapping angles like this that will make you millions.

She is HUGE...... and they only paid $4k for her at Keeneland. WOW!

This is juicy
 

Street Sense will now be favored and whichever of the the other 4 contenders you like take the 5-1 or higher and go to the window.

Then sometimes (Curlin), I am right. Evens out.

Street Sense won't be favored over Curlin. Curlin was nearly the favorite for this race over the leading HOY candidate in Lawyer Ron and that was coming off of a loss. He's now beaten SS and Lawyer Ron. Curlin has shot to the lead in the race for HOY in my opinion.

nice stretch run
 

Lawyer Ron just never seemed to rate today, those two monster wins at Saratoga have to be discounted a little, because today the time was 2:02, Curlin ran huge, Maybe AGS and Hard Spun are really this good and Street Sense also. I love it 5 legitimate contenders means juicy odds.

Another thing this showed was just how bad the handicap division is. Lawyer Ron dominated the rest of the older horses yet again.

That was not the kind of prep I like to see for the BC Classic though. It was a tough race. At the finish, I was immediately thinking that this is why the JCGC has such a dismal record as a Classic prep. It's a prestigious race in it's own right and it usually takes a big effort to win it, one which is hard to reproduce in the Classic. I rate the JCGC as a Classic prep the same way that I do the Vosburgh as a Sprint prep, the Arc as a Turf prep and the QE II as a Mile prep. But damn, I love Curlin and he's been my selection for the Classic for a while so it's going to be hard to get off of him now.

not sure it was that hard
 

I'm not sure who is going to win the classic. But watch the replay, Curlin was ridden very confidently all the way to the lane and not really asked until they came around the turn. Very similar to the Haskell when he was even with AGS just after the turn and then just flattened out because of the layoff, this time he showed his usual punch. I want all 5 horses to get there and have 30 solid days of debates. Plus there are some Tiago likers out there. And he runs his race every time as well. All of the 6 top contenders should come up to the race in shape and ready to fire.

Guess I missed it too.