Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Well you should have shared with us loyal DTers. We all like 35-1. It wouldn't have made it worse than 32-1 if you had shared. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Linny

I was the one with the friend with the 35-1 shot. I sat at a table with her, going over the races and she didn't say a word to me until the horse was 2 lengths in front! She didn't give him to me!

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I will tell you a story....

On December 31st 1994 I had the flu. I was so sick that I couldn't get out of bed. As you probably know the entire Pick-6 pool has to be distributed on the last day of every meet as well as the final day of the year. There was also a carryover going into the day. As it happened I liked a Pat Kelly horse quite a bit that day named Unction. I made a pretty good bet on him, as well as the 8th winner, a shipper I believe named Double Calvados ( or something like that ) I also played a small Pick-3 into the horse. Because I was sick, and the races weren't yet on TV, I couldn't watch, and fell asleep. When I got up, I found out that Unction, who was in the second leg of the Pick-6, paid $57 and Double Calvados won the feature ( 4 or 5 to 1 ) and I hit the Pick-3 on a small 2 x 3 x 1 play. I made a bunch of money, but when I started to get a clearer head, I realized a Kimmel firster, at 2-1 ( and this was when he really used to win with firsters ), won one of the other legs of the Pick-6 and a Jolley maiden ( when he used to win ) won the other leg at 2-1 and the Pick-6 paid around $55K. I played the Pick-6 frequently then, and there was really little doubt, at least to me, that I would have hit it. But, hey, that's the way it goes.

However, the next day I found out that someone I knew had hit it. Now, that's cool. But then I found out that he only hit it because one of my few friends I had told about Unction told him I really liked the horse, so he threw him in.

It didn't make me feel better considering the entire situation. It was one thing for me to have been out of action but it was another to hear that someone else won the money I felt I could easily have had because of me. Nothing against the guy that won, I'm happy for him, but I also decided that I would do whatever I could not to let something like that happen again. So, unless I am being paid for my selections, i.e. doing handicapping shows, you'll have to excuse me if I am frugal with my opinion.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Fair enough. I thought this was a place for sharing opinions. You can do as you wish.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, Bush was definitely better with firsters in the past. He's certainly more than capable with firsters and his current stats are definitely misleading.

The money that horse took, however, superceded everything else. If Tommy Walsh can win a 2YO maiden race on Traver's Day, the 10-1 Ommedon, then anything is possible. That horse may have been the livest double digit firster of all time.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And, by the way, most of these " brilliant " opinions of mine lose.

Originally Posted by Linny

I was the one with the friend with the 35-1 shot. I sat at a table with her, going over the races and she didn't say a word to me until the horse was 2 lengths in front! She didn't give him to me!

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Fair enough. I thought this was a place for sharing opinions. You can do as you wish.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

why should nofool, or anyone do all the extensive work for a message board to gravy train off it?

I dont think the majority of people fully grasp the level of effort we are talking about.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There's probably a bigger correlation between being good at the track and sucking at life. Trust me.......I have experience.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Gee, thanks for your permission. What a great relief to me.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

oh i understand that this is BTW's business and he shouldn't give away his selections without being paid for them. I also feel that way towards Steve Byk's predic's. When you're in it for a living, you must get your share!

With that said, some one can give me a horse to bet, and if I bet it it will lose. The only person who has given me winners consistantly is a guy Nick Martinez (artist/former jockey) who is at the toga meet. They are ususally in the range from 2-1 to 5-1, but still - a profit is a profit.

Also, Mr Byk gives out winners every day (and nice exotics) yet I just seem to bet the wrong races and the wrong way. I think its because I am 24, poor and dont bankroll correctly. Its also just entertainment for me.. yet I do need to stop going to the track when I can't afford entertainment. I dont know, maybe its just Gulfstream, because I didnt do bad at Toga last year. I need to stick to my guns and only bet Pletcher horses!

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What exactly does this mean?

Originally Posted by Grits

Linnny, first off, I hate to break this to you, but I will. This woman is not your friend, you may think she is, but she is NOT. Friends don't do this to those they care about.

Does your friend know how to handicap a horse race?
Does your friend know how to read a DRF?
Does your friend wager on horseracing on a frequent basis?

If SHE DOES NOT, well then--she simply LIKED a 35/1 shot without a knowledgable handicapping opinion. That happens everyday and people cash in such a manner, but they don't cash for long.

In other words, liking a horse is far removed from liking and backing him with one's wager. And there is nothing more tiring than someone sounding off, after the horses cross the wire.

I'd have asked my server to bring me a double. And that's the last time I'd be seen with her.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I personally can not believe that people on here feel that Andy has some duty to dole out his plays when he thinks there might be a nice one. I would have less repsect for him if he did that. You know what, he has had to work hard and I'm sure pay a price to be in a position to find these nice nuggets sometimes. Good for him. Do you really think that they come in all the time? Is that what you're looking for, to just sit back and wait for Andy to share some steam so that you can run to the windows and collect some easy money? When his plays don't pan out he pays the price for it, just like we all do. We sink or swim based on our own merits. Most of the plays being talked about are dynamic and involve some board watching so he may not even know about the play until minutes before post. Do you all expect him to come on and say I'm playing so and so first time starter really hard due to the heavy board action? What happen if that horse runs up the track? What would the comments be from you people? I can hear the ungrateful now, "Andy is a bum, he steered us wrong, he owes us" BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

For me I am much more interested in what he has been doing on this board which is to be generous with his thought process and methods and imparting to others what it has taken for him to get where he is, what dues you have to pay. I'm not looking for a gift, a tip, a handout. I want to learn how to improve my own ROI, how to be able to spot these types of situations on my own.

Sorry if it comes across as strident but frankly speaking do your own work, instead of looking for a handout.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Go back and listen to him on the archived saturday show and learn to fish a little.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

is he giving out fly fishing or salt water fishing tips?

Originally Posted by dellinger63

recipes

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Look some people in the business and or those who have developed friendships in the business are given what could be inside information in that a certain trainer and connections may know a horse is training well and looks ready for a big effort due to maybe an equipment change or getting over an injury/ medical problem etc. but no one can say he/she will win for sure.

When this info is passed along it's done as a favor or as quid pro quo for information the source will recieve back at a future time. I'm sure the source expects it to be held close to the vest and not broadcasted on a web site with a thousand members. BTW owes nobody on the board anything. It is up to him when and where to give insight and 'give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats a lifetime.' Go back and listen to him on the archived saturday show and learn to fish a little.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I personally can not believe that people on here feel that Andy has some duty to dole out his plays when he thinks there might be a nice one. I would have less repsect for him if he did that. You know what, he has had to work hard and I'm sure pay a price to be in a position to find these nice nuggets sometimes. Good for him. Do you really think that they come in all the time? Is that what you're looking for, to just sit back and wait for Andy to share some steam so that you can run to the windows and collect some easy money? When his plays don't pan out he pays the price for it, just like we all do. We sink or swim based on our own merits. Most of the plays being talked about are dynamic and involve some board watching so he may not even know about the play until minutes before post. Do you all expect him to come on and say I'm playing so and so first time starter really hard due to the heavy board action? What happen if that horse runs up the track? What would the comments be from you people? I can hear the ungrateful now, "Andy is a bum, he steered us wrong, he owes us" BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

For me I am much more interested in what he has been doing on this board which is to be generous with his thought process and methods and imparting to others what it has taken for him to get where he is, what dues you have to pay. I'm not looking for a gift, a tip, a handout. I want to learn how to improve my own ROI, how to be able to spot these types of situations on my own.

Sorry if it comes across as strident but frankly speaking do your own work, instead of looking for a handout.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

Thanks for all of the replies. I guess the take away for me is that work out times should be taken with a grain of salt, and not gospel. I will focus more on the work out pattern instead of the speed of the workouts. This should be helpful as more 3 YO make their debuts and the start of the 2 YO arrived later in the year.

I guess the fact that this happend in the third leg of the pick 4 is what really upset me. I guess I should have capitalized on the exacta and tri in the race itself. Oh well chalk it up to a valuable lesson learned.

With respect to Andy not giving out his picks here that is his choice. I know I have profited from his "gracious" comments and the back and forth we have had on some of the picks I have posted on this forum.

I guess my point is that I would rather of have done the handicapping myself and made some adjustments based on some of his or Steve's insights. That is afterall how I am going to learn and get better at this game. Not by betting someone elses picks blindly, not that I haven't done that. I think the learning process is what has drawn me in and kept me on this forum.

Hopefully some day I will be able to handicap half as well as either Steve and Andy do today.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I couldn't have said this any better myself. This is PRECISELY why I'm on this board as well. The bantering back and forth amongst members of this forum is priceless, and the knowledge one can learn just by reading is unbelievable.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

God I thought you got the PM like the rest of us did from BTW saying it was the 2000 star play of the day. LOL

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

oh really...?

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Here we go again... :p You know I'm only on here for you, dawlin'.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I couldn't have said this any better myself. This is PRECISELY why I'm on this board as well. The bantering back and forth amongst members of this forum is priceless, and the knowledge one can learn just by reading is unbelievable.