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ArlJim78 03-02-2007 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
Now I have seen it all!
Too funny!

ArlJim78 03-02-2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
whatever you guys say... i said at this point, and mainly ment vs this field.. and you all should know that
Why is Drums of Thunder way over-hyped and NoBiz unbeatable, when Drums Of Thunder was within 1.5 lengths of him last month? Do you know how easy it is to have the result change by a merely 1.5 lengths?

POINTGIVEN1985 03-02-2007 03:37 PM
i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?

miraja2 03-02-2007 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I agree on both points, I have immense respect for Tagg and I just think we're going to see maybe a bit of a breakout performance this week from NoBiz.

Drums of Thunder has been getting some mentions now and his odds may not be appealing. I would still think though that if you like his chances of upsetting this field that you could hook him up in multi-race wagers and get a pretty nice return.

I made my first Derby Future bet this year. I put bets on two horses Drums of Thunder at 41:1 and Zanjero at even larger odds.
At 41/1 I think that is a pretty good play. He has looked pretty solid, and his old man was a stakes winner at 10f (and a consistent 9f horse). I think he may be overbet on Saturday by people trying to beat Nobiz, but he certainly looks like he could be a Derby horse.

miraja2 03-02-2007 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?
50? Wow you were so close! He has run 9 times, winning 4, and finishing second two other times.
Man, I wonder why his owners don't just shoot him.

ArlJim78 03-02-2007 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?
Experience! Come on now, you've got way more experience than I do.

brianwspencer 03-02-2007 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?
And Drums of Thunder was coming off a 2 month break after running 8 races in a row. So............?

Kaplan's got fine stats in a 2-Off situation like this too.

So he's still got a right to improve in his second start of his 3yo season, just like Nobiz does, even if it's his 104th start in 8 months.

Dunbar 03-02-2007 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I made my first Derby Future bet this year. I put bets on two horses Drums of Thunder at 41:1 and Zanjero at even larger odds.
fyi, CRIS (now BookMaker.com) has Drums of Thunder at 60-1. It's odds on Zanjero are poor, though.

--Dunbar

ArlJim78 03-02-2007 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
fyi, CRIS (now BookMaker.com) has Drums of Thunder at 60-1. It's odds on Zanjero are poor, though.

--Dunbar
Really? I just made a couple of token bets for fun and something to talk about. Out of curiosity, what are the Zanjero odds?

Dunbar 03-02-2007 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Really? I just made a couple of token bets for fun and something to talk about. Out of curiosity, what are the Zanjero odds?
I actually thought Adore The Gold's 33-1 in the Future Wager was good enough to bet. (I may well think differently tomorrow afternoon.) A couple days later I saw that he was 100-1 at CRIS! I felt fairly foolish. I should have stuck with just the "All others" bet, which was the one I was/am most confident in anyway.

Zanjero is now 35-1. Adore The Gold is also now 35-1, but was 83-1 a day or two ago when I posted about it here.

There are still some big prices if you like the horse: CP West is 85-1; Forty Grams 170-1; Storm In May 90-1; Twilight Meteor 125-1; BirdBirdIsTheWord 65-1; Imawildandcrazyguy 90-1; Ketchican 75-1.

--Dunbar

ArlJim78 03-02-2007 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
I actually thought Adore The Gold's 33-1 in the Future Wager was good enough to bet. (I may well think differently tomorrow afternoon.) A couple days later I saw that he was 100-1 at CRIS! I felt fairly foolish. I should have stuck with just the "All others" bet, which was the one I was/am most confident in anyway.

Zanjero is now 35-1. Adore The Gold is also now 35-1, but was 83-1 a day or two ago when I posted about it here.

There are still some big prices if you like the horse: CP West is 85-1; Forty Grams 170-1; Storm In May 90-1; Twilight Meteor 125-1; BirdBirdIsTheWord 65-1; Imawildandcrazyguy 90-1; Ketchican 75-1.

--Dunbar
I think my future on Zanjero is at 56 to 1. Which doesn't seem that great. Actually I don't like any of the ones you mentioned either including adore the Gold. Your all/others idea was probably the best bet.

brianwspencer 03-02-2007 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
To answer the intial question, of course he is beatable, but highly unlikely. Scat Daddy isn't going to win and I guess Drums of Thunder will put in a run and his post helps. Adore the Gold intrigued me until he drew out there. My question is what exactly is interesting about Divine Master? He has yet to run a race that would put him within 10 lengths of any of these horses.
Well, there was that one time he didn't lose ground in the stretch.....

I think he's pretty interesting for the bottom rungs of the 8fecta.

Cajungator26 03-02-2007 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, I mean hey I would love to find an interesting longshot in the race, I just don't see him.
Sorry... he's interesting to me LITERALLY as I saw him go through the OBS ring back in '05 and liked the way he looked. Love his sire too...

You boys should know me by now. :p

Cajungator26 03-02-2007 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Ahh, gotcha. I was actually hoping you had some sort of angle that I missed because he'll be huge odds tomorrow.
Nope, wish I did. If he looks good in the paddock tomorrow, I might take a chance for shits and grins, though.

brianwspencer 03-02-2007 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Nope, wish I did. If he looks good in the paddock tomorrow, I might take a chance for shits and grins, though.
Dude, J, that is your angle.

Send me a text to let me know if he looks good. If he does, then let me know if you're going to bet him.

If you aren't going to, I will post a message from work assuring the entire forum that he is a mortal lock on the win end.

If you are going to, I will remind everyone to leave him off their tickets as he is then gauranteed to run up the track.:D

Cajungator26 03-02-2007 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Dude, J, that is your angle.

Send me a text to let me know if he looks good. If he does, then let me know if you're going to bet him.

If you aren't going to, I will post a message from work assuring the entire forum that he is a mortal lock on the win end.

If you are going to, I will remind everyone to leave him off their tickets as he is then gauranteed to run up the track.:D
Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again? :D :p

HAHAHAHA!!!

brianwspencer 03-02-2007 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again? :D :p

HAHAHAHA!!!
I was on vacation, gambling wins/losses were not of paramount importance to me, or I wouldn't have been eight beers deep by the sixth race. :D

randallscott35 03-02-2007 08:35 PM
I sure hope he wins tomorrow with some of the talk in this thread. B/c he should beat this field.

ArlJim78 03-02-2007 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again? :D :p

HAHAHAHA!!!
Brian did however display exceptional prowess today with a huge score at gulfstream. Did you catch that one?

He is too modest to mention it, but I will. Its on the big Gulfstream thread in the selections area, along with some other stuff.:)

GPK 03-02-2007 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I was on vacation, gambling wins/losses were not of paramount importance to me, or I wouldn't have been eight beers deep by the sixth race. :D

lightweight....

brianwspencer 03-02-2007 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Brian did however display exceptional prowess today with a huge score at gulfstream. Did you catch that one?

He is too modest to mention it, but I will. Its on the big Gulfstream thread in the selections area, along with some other stuff.:)
You're too nice AJ! I tried not to advertise it, I mean it was a 1-2 shot (thanks in part to my huge bet), but still, I just knew it!

disappearingdan_akaplaya 03-03-2007 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I think he gets beat on Saturday. I like Drums of Thunder a lot, and the 7 horse, Divine Master is interesting to me as well. As much as I like Scat Daddy, I think he got the raw end of the deal with that post position and it's going to be that much tougher for him.
i agree cajun drums of thunder is very intriguing, well obviously know alot more 2morrow. speaking of 2morrow its already here and i gotta get up for training in 4 hrs. horses and reading the damn form take up all my time:) enjoy the race every1!

brianwspencer 03-03-2007 04:29 PM
Is it just me, or did Hal's My Hope stick around WAY LONGER than he should have?!

Great call on Scat Daddy for those of you who thought he was sitting on a big one!


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