My friend told me that he has been super impressive in the mornings up at Saratoga. I think he goes off at 3-5 and wins like a 3-5 shot should. They were patient with this one and he appears to be a superstar.

Oklahoma is heaven to real trainers. Its deep cushion and safe surface make it the best place on earth to train a horse. Believe me, there is a reason that Zito, Pletcher,Biancone, Mott, etc stable there all summer the minute it opens. Ward has been there as well. Only sent out 4 runners at the meet so far and with two wins yesterday, hes now 4-4 in the money with 2 winners. Nobody stabled at saratoga's Oklahoma track needs polytrack. They already have something better. Wards horses will run well all summer.

you could be right, but that would be disappointing if he went off at odds that short. I have to think Flashy Bull takes some money here.. I'm guessing (hoping for) 6/5 at the shortest..

You would think the field is good enough that he should be 2-1, but I think too many people know about him.

Here's what an astute and keen race watcher(I am laughing as I type this)had to say back in mid April about Minister's Bid:

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/threa...readID=3490560

I haven't capped the race, but I certainly hope Flashy Bull shows his "stuff" here. Looks to me like the Nielsens have him pointed to the Travers.
As Niel Nielsen has previously said, "I'm probably the only person in the country who would rather win the Travers than the Kentucky Derby."
I hope so, and as an Albany-Times by, Tim Wilken, article said...
"They might be watching the Travers from an owner's box instead of at a picnic table."
N Nielson also said, "Believe me, the Kentucky Derby is pretty big but I've always wanted to have a horse in the Travers."

So I'll be cheering for Kiaran McLaughlin, Carole and Neil Neilsen, West Point TB's, and especially Flashy Bull!
Go get 'em big grey!

DTS

That guy is full of it. There is nobody alive that rather win the Travers than the Kentucky Derby. Good luck to his horse but horses like Ministers Bid and Bernardini are in a completely different league than Flashy Bull types.

BR,
Whatever, I was just quoting an article I read.
I'm going to hope that Flashy Bull does something for his connections.
I also have no problem with Ministers Bid. I own two Deputy Ministers myself.

Sometimes, I just hope for other NY owners.

DTS

I rather see him win before Bernardini or Ministers Bid too, because I like the little guy compared to the big rich owners, but you just can't compare the derby and travers. I can rip off the last 10 derby winners off the top of my head, but could barely remember who won last years travers.

I hear ya BR,
No comparison between the KD and the Travers. I was just quoting an article.
I usually make it to Toga for that race...and especially the King's Bishop on the card that day.
Some memorable Travers winners...Victory Gallop, Point Given, Birdstone.
Didn't make it to last year's...so who won last year? I'm blank on that one.
DTS

LOL.. Flower Alley

That should be a good rematch this summer with Bellamy Road. I still prefer the Whitney to the Travers, probably because it isn't nearly as crowded. Frankel's Rathor though might be better than both. His times have been a little slow but he just dominates.

Yeah, who'd remember pigs like medaglia D'oro and Point Given huh?

Thanks Zippy,
These "brain cramps" are driving me "nuts". UHHH, I think LOL too.
DTS

I hear ya. I can't remember what I did the day before sometimes, let alone horse racing results! Actually, I remember this because I had the p-4 (several times) going into the Travers using Bellamy Road and Roman Ruler... I left FA off my ticket!!!! Oops! :o

Household names. LOL.

9/10 derby winners were- Barbaro, Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, War Emblem, Monarchos, Fusaichi Pegasus, Charismatic, Real Quiet, Silver Charm.

All 9 are bigger names than Medaglia D'Oro. 8 of 9 are bigger name than Point Given.

Let me roll off the real impressive Travers winners. Unshaded, Lemon Drop Kid, Coranados Quest, Deputy Commander, I can't think of anymore. Nobody outside of big racing fans has heard of any of these horses.

Millions watch and listen to the derby, you can catch the Travers on ESPN2, as long as women's softball isn't running long. LOL.

Sometimes how clueless you are is very obvious. Point Given was HOY and syndicated for 50 mill.

What is your point? Point Given was 1 in 10. FuPeg is actually worth more anyway. The Travers winners are garbage compared to the Kentucky Derby winners. Outside of the two you named, there is nothing there. 9 of the last 10 derby winners were big time horses. Once again, what is your point? Are you saying anyone would rather win the Travers instead of the KY Derby? I think you are the clueless one. Go ahead, with the exception of Monarchos, Point Given is a bigger name than who?

Well since he was one of two HOYs listed(the other being Charismatic) I would say he is a bigger name than all except Smarty.

I guess that is your opinion. Where are all the other great Travers winners? You can't compare the two races. It is crazy to even try to. Like I said earlier, hopefully little league baseball or women's softball won't keep us from watching the Travers this year. :)