I dont understand why the horse has to be 2-1 or better? If you feel the horse is going to win, then who cares if it goes off at 3/2 or so. Please let me know your logic because maybe I am not seeing something that you see.

I won't bet a large amount on any turf horse at less than 2-1. I lost a good chunk of change on Kittens Joy at 7-10 when Better Talk Now beat him and I refuse to take a super short price on the turf. Too much luck involved. If you are going to make a large bet on a turf horse you need a decent return. Fact is I lost $2K on Sweetnorthernsaint in the derby and was originally going to bet $5K on Barbaro. I didn't listen to my friend and it cost me $30K. Worst feeling I have ever gotten from gambling.

Colonial Downs races area available live through xpressbet.

But not simulcast at belmont or NYC OTB? Showing Up is a much better horse on grass than he was on dirt. That is coming directly from a guy that told me Barbaro was significantly better than all those in the derby. I am putting big money on this one somewhere even if I have to drive down there to do it.

We'll have to wait for OTB.. Sometimes they don't show a track, but do show a certain race from the track when it's a big day there.

I think the race is on ESPN2, but I am not sure. It really is the only big race all weekend so I imagine that they are taking bets on it. It might be fun to drive down there anyway.

How can anyone know what kind of horse Showing Up is on the turf until he runs over it in a race? Good workouts dont always translate into good results.

I would demand at least 2/1 on him. Anything can happen in a turf race, horses almost always get bad trips in big fields like this. Any expert who gurantees a victory is forgetting one thing...when the gates open there is as much dumb luck involved than there is the question of talent.

depends on who else is in the field too.

Tim I have no idea. I really dont. Working on grass and running on it are two so very different things. he has talent no doubt, and his dad was a grass horse so it wouldnt shock me, but still. Speaking about a horse as if he is a cinch to win a race on a surface he has never run on, especially a race against horses who have already won on it, is really ballsy.

I was told by a friend of the Jacksons that Showing Up is a significantly better horse on the turf. He was pretty good on the dirt so that says something. I didn't realize it until he told me, but SU is bred for the turf too.

I just took this post from a poster on another site so I am not sure where he got it but is said

Tagg said Showing Up trains like "a tiger" on the grass and moves much better behind on it.

I will probably chicken out, but no matter what I am better 4 figures on him saturday.

When do they draw that race?

I don't know, but I think Thursday. I am going to start a thread in a second, hopefully you will be able to go.

This weekend? Love to go to be honest with you but I have to be at a fundraiser in Rochester on Monday morning and can't travel all teh way down there and get back in time to take back off for Rochester. My dad's friend has a golf tournament thats a big fundraiser for Lou gehrig's disease. I committed to it a while ago and have to go.

9th (5:40)
Colonial Turf Cup S.
1 3/16 Miles Turf Open 3 Year Olds
Stakes - Purse:$1,000,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Showing Up Velasquez C 120 0 L
2 Stream Cat Leparoux J R 120 0
3 International Cat Tejera E A 116 0 L
4 Outperformance Castellano J J 118 0 L
5 Roman Dynasty Luzzi M J 116 0 L
6 Prime Diamond Dominguez R A 116 0 L
7 Lewis Michael Guidry M 116 0 L
8 Rock Lobster Rocco J S Jr 116 0 L
9 Unbridled Behavior Guidry M 116 0 L
10 Can't Beat It Castro E 116 0 L
11 Yate's Black Cat Douglas R R 116 0 L
12 Chin High Castro E 120 0 L
13 Go Between Gomez G K 118 0 L
14 Kip Deville Prado E S 116 0 L
AE Sir Classic Chris Fogelsonger R 116 0 L
AE Hunting Print Fogelsonger R 116 0 L
AE Proudinsky (GER) Peslier O 116

Excellent. Huge field. I bet Showing Up goes off at 4-1 or better. Amazing they can't get better for $1m.

No, i was talking about the contest in a few weeks. Maybe I will let you make my picks via this site.

Until it's graded...they wont.

Watch out for Rock Lobster. He may be a tad slower on figures but the horse knows how to win.

Who the hell cares if its graded or not besides the owner and breeder? 4/1 still pays $10 whether its a grade 1 or a 10K claimer :D

Degenerate gamblers should not care one way or the other :cool:

Graded wins increase stud prices. That is why the top guys don't go to ungraded races. Still $600,000 is a nice check.