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paisjpq 01-29-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
Have you found it difficult to learn how to use it? Thanks KP

not really...it's pretty straightforward...you still have to do the handicapping work the same it just adds more infromation that you might find helpful...and i'm sure there are features that I haven't found...because i don't like to read instructions :o so I haven't looked at the pages that describe how to use the program...I just have been poking around as i go.

2 Dollar Bill 01-29-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not really...it's pretty straightforward...you still have to do the handicapping work the same it just adds more infromation that you might find helpful...and i'm sure there are features that I haven't found...because i don't like to read instructions :o so I haven't looked at the pages that describe how to use the program...I just have been poking around as i go.

You dont use the ""old school"" method of
1 Grey horse = win bet
2 Grey horses = exacta bet
3 Grey horses = Trif. bet
4 Grey horses = super bet ? :p

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
Have you found it difficult to learn how to use it? Thanks KP

It's extremely easy.

If you play at all seriously it is a must, especially if you are playing any track you aren't completely familiar with, as the access to charts and extensive pps is invaluable.

You can hit on the date of any of the last three races for any entrant, as long as the race was in North America, and access the full chart of that race. From there you can hit any horse in the race and access its lifetime pps. Also, you can get the chart for any and all races run on that day at that track. This allows you to see the relative abilities of the horses faced, which is great for shippers and most important ( I believe ) for turf races, and you can get at least a cursory look to see if there was an extreme bias and also an overview of relative pace.

Plus there are extensive trainer stats available, which you can easily manipulate, if you like that stuff. Also you can enter your own notes which you can save in the pps. And there's more. IMO it is the best product DRF has ever developed.

paisjpq 01-29-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill
You dont use the ""old school"" method of
1 Grey horse = win bet
2 Grey horses = exacta bet
3 Grey horses = Trif. bet
4 Grey horses = super bet ? :p

not this girl...

but I have a second cousin (or something like that) who has made huge bets on grey horses and has won some big payouts...he only bets grey horses

kenny p 01-29-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's extremely easy.

If you play at all seriously it is a must, especially if you are playing any track you aren't completely familiar with, as the access to charts and extensive pps is invaluable.

You can hit on the date of any of the last three races for any entrant, as long as the race was in North America, and access the full chart of that race. From there you can hit any horse in the race and access its lifetime pps. Also, you can get the chart for any and all races run on that day at that track. This allows you to see the relative abilities of the horses faced, which is great for shippers and most important ( I believe ) for turf races, and you can get at least a cursory look to see if there was an extreme bias and also an overview of relative pace.

Plus there are extensive trainer stats available, which you can easily manipulate, if you like that stuff. Also you can enter your own notes which you can save in the pps. And there's more. IMO it is the best product DRF has ever developed.

Thanks. I think I will order it . Why not?

randallscott35 01-29-2007 10:13 AM

See who doesn't have wraps on. Bet accordingly....Oh yeah and Thoros.

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 10:23 AM

Well for gulfstream on Saturday a dart and a dartboard would've been golden.

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well for gulfstream on Saturday a dart and a dartboard would've been golden.

Tell me about it! :eek:

qwertybb 01-29-2007 10:33 AM

I feel everyone has their own way and they all have value to the user. Basic step is finding the speed, pace and closers. Must imagine how you feel the race sets up. Best horse doesn't always win. Lone closer in a race filled with speed, or a horse that cannot be caught. Every race is different. Find tracks you feel good about and learn trends with jocks-trainers. Study as much as possible. I always felt it was best to handicap a few hrs. the day before and pray for no rain. Equibase virtaul stable is a nice way to track play backs. Even if your just watching a race and see a horse make a great run but may encounter a bad trip but you feel the horse had a real chance. Add him in your stable with comments and wait for a possible play when the horse runs back. They e-mail you workouts and when the horse is running again for free. It has paid dividends for me. Equibase.com free sign-up. Plus we all need alittle racing luck.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
I feel everyone has their own way and they all have value to the user. Basic step is finding the speed, pace and closers. Must imagine how you feel the race sets up. Best horse doesn't always win. Lone closer in a race filled with speed, or a horse that cannot be caught. Every race is different. Find tracks you feel good about and learn trends with jocks-trainers. Study as much as possible. I always felt it was best to handicap a few hrs. the day before and pray for no rain. Equibase virtaul stable is a nice way to track play backs. Even if your just watching a race and see a horse make a great run but may encounter a bad trip but you feel the horse had a real chance. Add him in your stable with comments and wait for a possible play when the horse runs back. They e-mail you workouts and when the horse is running again for free. It has paid dividends for me. Equibase.com free sign-up. Plus we all need alittle racing luck.


You forgot to add " if all else fails redboard winners the day after the race ".

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You forgot to add " if all else fails redboard winners the day after the race ".

Don't forget that Hooves needs to be banned as well.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 11:11 AM

I believe that goes without saying.

qwertybb 01-29-2007 02:48 PM

Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 03:13 PM

wow your really making friends here pal....good job..

SentToStud 01-29-2007 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

So, will you ever share what you thought made Six Cross Road an easy to play winner in that Tampa MCL?

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

Did you go to Oakridge? Probably so...

Let me know how it is over there in Tangelo Park, you scumbag.

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

By the way, since we're on the topic of education... it's "Jamie, YOU'RE clueless." Learn some grammar.

Danzig 01-29-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
For all of us average handicappers out there the best tool available on the internet is without a doubt.........porn.
It distracts us from wasting our money on betting the races.

excellent post! very informative and insightful. i'm sure my husband would agree with this sentiment completely....i'll have to suggest it.:D

qwertybb 01-29-2007 03:36 PM

No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute. I live in Sabal Point, I'm sure you know it Jamie. I don't want credit or put anyone down with their picks but your comments are whacked. Hooves I apologized, take it for what is worth. Trust me when I tell you when I bet my hard earned $ it is with my picks good or bad. Funny to see this caused so much concern. Like Barbaro being put down. I feel sorry for a soldier over seas dying much more than an animal. Please put things in perspective. Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today. I fought for my country and I feel you have the right to say what you want. But it goes both ways. Deal with it

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 03:38 PM



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