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oracle80 12-20-2006 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You should be careful about trying to appear sharp about races that took place while you were still in diapers. Holy Bull, and of course the duel cooked him, is one of the few horses that genuinely seemed to displace in the Fountain of Youth ( and may have created a stampede of horsemen using that as a fake excuse in the future ) and as you pointed out, the speed duel never materialized in the Florida Derby, but that race was also contested over a souped up speed track.

I think Ride the Rails was more famous for beating Dehere that day.
Are you saying its a fake excuse used by horseman because you think they lie that it happened, or that displacing is a fake excuse?

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Are you saying its a fake excuse used by horseman because you think they lie that it happened, or that displacing is a fake excuse?

If you're going to ask me questions, especially ones this foolish, try to make the options less ambiguous.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You should be careful about trying to appear sharp about races that took place while you were still in diapers. Holy Bull, and of course the duel cooked him, is one of the few horses that genuinely seemed to displace in the Fountain of Youth.

I think Ride the Rails was more famous for beating Dehere that day.
BTW, My post was in responce as to why Holy Bull wasn't made the favorite.

I realize something was almost certainly wrong with him that day...however, I pointed to his bad race in the FoY as the obvious reason why he wasn't the favorite.

It wasn't like..., say, Afleet Alex's Rebel..where the horse seemed to have no excuse at all and just laid an egg...HB and HI really went at each other.

Far more people know Ride the Rails as the sire of Candy Ride...then they know him as 'The horse who beat Dehere in an allowance race.' If you had the misfortune of talking with West Coasters a lot...you would know this!

oracle80 12-20-2006 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you're going to ask me questions, especially ones this foolish, try to make the options less ambiguous.
Well I certainly agree that I hear far too many trainers blaming displacing these days when the horse appeared to have run its race and just been short.
But in the cases where they do entrap or displace for real, I think its the biggets excuse there is. Horses will run through pain, even great pain, but they can't run a step if they can't breathe.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If you had the misfortune of talking with West Coasters a lot...you would know this!
Thankfully I don't.

I'm also joking as it is the only thing I remember about Ride the Rails.

What top 2YO ( and later top 3YO and 4YO ) made its debut on that Florida Derby card?

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 05:21 PM
Sorry...I meant 3YO debut.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:27 PM
Paradice Creek?

oracle80 12-20-2006 05:28 PM
Unaccounted For?

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:29 PM
I looked up PC...he came back in March of his 3yo season, at GP, in '93...not '94...so couldn't be him

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 05:31 PM
Paradise Creek? He was a 3YO in 1992 ( 2nd to Lure in the BC Mile at Gulfstream ).

Unaccounted For didn't debut until he was 3...but it was at Gulfstream. Did he lose to that Brothers short lived uber-phenom in his debut...Carnivale or something like that? I know he ( Unaccounted For that is ) lost by a neck at 8:5ish in his debut.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 05:31 PM
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I looked up PC...he came back in March of his 3yo season, at GP, in '93...not '94...so couldn't be him
God, how embarrassingly wrong can you continue to be.

oracle80 12-20-2006 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Paradise Creek? He was a 3YO in 1992 ( 2nd to Lure in the BC Mile at Gulfstream ).

Unaccounted For didn't debut until he was 3...but it was at Gulfstream. Did he lose to that Brothers short lived uber-phenom in his debut...Carnivale or something like that? I know he lost by a neck at 8:5ish in his debut.
Yeah it was canaveral. The Relaunch horse Brothers had.
I remember that card and where I was that day and this question is driving me crazy.

KirisClown 12-20-2006 05:37 PM
Unaccounted For lost his debut to Parting Sea....

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
God, how embarrassingly wrong can you continue to be.
I was 12 back then....it wasn't till about that age when I finally mastered how to tie my shoes

KirisClown 12-20-2006 05:39 PM
Was it Heavenly Prize?

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:41 PM
Yes, she got beat in the What A Summer that same day

The Indomitable DrugS 12-20-2006 05:42 PM
I assumed he meant that it was a colt.

oracle80 12-20-2006 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Was it Heavenly Prize?
NO way!! She was a grade one winner at age 2.
I also assumed he meant a colt, but if its a filly its not her.


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