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jms62 04-12-2022 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411 (Post 1163215)
So every owner who hires a trainer who eventually cheats
with their horse, or NOT their horse, knew the trainer was
going to cheat ahead of time? Every one ?

Nope and it makes no difference. Caveat Emptor. The model is broken currently. As I stated my idea isn't fair however it will disincentivize chronic cheaters and owners that employ them and I believe it will do it quickly. Right now there is incentive to find and use a trainer that cheats and take the slap on the wrist if caught.

But to Andy's point on simple overages. That is a fly in the ointment. How to distinguish the difference between obvious cheating and simple overages?

Konk 04-12-2022 07:19 PM

Good point. It is critical to any sucess full drug policy that it be clearly defined,
I'm no vet, but I assume that finding an overage of a theraputic drug would have to classified and handled differently than finding snake venom.

Take the ~25% top trainers for fewest drug incidents anually and set that as the minimum standard goig foreward. If 1/4 of the population can do it, demand the rest do it too.

jms62 04-12-2022 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 1163227)
Good point. It is critical to any sucess full drug policy that it be clearly defined,
I'm no vet, but I assume that finding an overage of a theraputic drug would have to classified and handled differently than finding snake venom.

Take the ~25% top trainers for fewest drug incidents anually and set that as the minimum standard goig foreward. If 1/4 of the population can do it, demand the rest do it too.

Thanks Tom at least we agree on something.

Conrad 04-12-2022 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1163228)
Thanks Tom at least we agree on something.

Tom ?

King Glorious 04-12-2022 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1163144)
Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?

I don't think so. I don't think people outside of racing care. People inside of racing were supporting the sport and betting even knowing he was involved. Unless there's going to be numbers that show wagering increases with him out, I don't think the sport is better as far as perception goes.

jms62 04-13-2022 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmfhb411 (Post 1163239)
To your Caveat Emptor point: of course. I've spent and invested a few bucks before.

And, none of us have to walk, or go back in time, very far
to see that bad actors only get emboldened when and where
there is little or no threat of serious consequences.
So no disagreement there too.

I'm just not ready to torch an owner with clean horses
for hiring the wrong trainer who had no prior record
of wrongdoing. If I missed that clause, in this thread,
which protects such an owner then I missed it.

I absolutely see where you are coming from. Unfortunately I see no other way than stopping the flow of money and making it so risky to cheat. I also though see the need to somehow separate overages and mistakes on legal meds.. It is a very complicated issue to tackle. I don't see it happening as the industry isn't interested in punishing those that are putting their money in the game (Owners).


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