Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Dubai Exploitation - Fri ABC 20/20 9pm est (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6939)

Bernardini 11-17-2006 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolution
It is not our job to improve other countries. Didn't you listen to the real George W, George Washington? Or do you subscribe to the philosophy of the idiot George W that is in the White House. You can't fix other countries. It does not work.

People in those countries must fix their own countries. You can't take their cheap oil, so that Americans can have more money, and then tell them how bad they are. When Americans are willing to pay higher prices for oil or stop taking their money for our real estate, horses, banks, etc., then America can tell them what to do.

American news organizations ignore tons of problems with our own country and run ridiculous shows like this. If the media is going to concentrate on other countries, atleast concentrate on problems like Darfur. This is a conscience piece. It makes somebody feel good about running it, and then nothing will happen. Are you prepared to start paying more in gas or to stop taking their billions they invest in our country? Doubt it. And please spare me the fake answer of how you are. How about your computer? Throw it away. You know it is made by slave labor. If you want, save your money and have an american company make you one for 10x what you paid for yours.

could not agree more !!! good job

Bold Reasoning 11-17-2006 01:28 PM

I remember posting here after the Beyer article that Beyer was too hard on the Maktoums. Ironically, my distorted view was based on a TV news piece that showed the upside of Dubai. This country is just like all but one of the others in the region: They are not democracies. Perhaps it is just the way it is. Maybe we cannot save the world; we cannot even stop horse slaughter here. :(

brianwspencer 11-17-2006 02:01 PM

I don't see what this has to the with the Sheikhs -- other than that they rule Dubai.

This story makes them no different than many parts of the United States, so I'm not sure what all the talk about people "changing how they see the Sheikhs" is all about.

Let's play a game. I'll describe a place, and you guess where it is.

- Those are the top are insanely rich, while those at the bottom don't make enough money to take care of their family. Those at the top are rich because of their willingness to exploit those at the bottom.

Bet it's a tricky question to answer. Answer: Every country on Earth.

So when we can't even take care of our own, why are we so damn concerned with how they can't take care of theirs? Once we figure out how to make sure that we are paying our workers appropriate wages, and making sure that our people at the top are being held accountable for how they are treating those at the bottom -- then let's go ahead and worry about how we view the Sheikhs.

It's nonsense.

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolution
People love to criticize Dubai, but slave labor and child labor happened in this country for centuries, and it still does today in certain areas, especially among poor immigrants in places like LA and NYC, so we can have cheap designer clothing.

So if you personally know about these places in America where the slave and child labor is taking place, why dont you contact the authorities instead of just talking about it on an internet chat board?
Or maybe you just heard about it and have no idea if any of these stories are actually true. You know if you contact 20/20 with details about slave labor and exploited children in LA and NY they will probably do a feature on that.
However I'm not holding my breath...

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolution

Hypocrisy runs rampant in America. Do we take the cheap oil from these countries to save a dollar? We love to criticize them and take their money and cheap oil.

Since when is oil cheap? You think we get a special price from OPEC? Bulk discount? Or 10% off for cash.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-17-2006 05:05 PM

dont you know ..if we buy a car wash..with each fill up...

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I don't see what this has to the with the Sheikhs -- other than that they rule Dubai.

This story makes them no different than many parts of the United States, so I'm not sure what all the talk about people "changing how they see the Sheikhs" is all about.

Let's play a game. I'll describe a place, and you guess where it is.

- Those are the top are insanely rich, while those at the bottom don't make enough money to take care of their family. Those at the top are rich because of their willingness to exploit those at the bottom.

Bet it's a tricky question to answer. Answer: Every country on Earth.

So when we can't even take care of our own, why are we so damn concerned with how they can't take care of theirs? Once we figure out how to make sure that we are paying our workers appropriate wages, and making sure that our people at the top are being held accountable for how they are treating those at the bottom -- then let's go ahead and worry about how we view the Sheikhs.

It's nonsense.

Dude, they do stories like this because they will get ratings, not as social commentary.

oracle80 11-17-2006 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Dude, they do stories like this because they will get ratings, not as social commentary.

You mean they really don't care and just wanna sell advertising!!!???
And all this time, sniff sniff, I thought they actually cared.
Those folks over there don't have a mother****ing thing on us Cannon, we worked for Crime. No ****ing way could anybody have tougher work conditions than that. And if they think holding back one months wages is bad, they oughta try 3 or 4. "Checks in the mail" " my daugher done screwed up the address the first time, I give you ma word, it will be there tomorrow" " I kaint be bothered with this now", etc.

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 05:14 PM

Revolution may be Jill R.....

brianwspencer 11-17-2006 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Dude, they do stories like this because they will get ratings, not as social commentary.

I understand why the network does stories like that.

What I don't get is why certain people get all up in arms over it as if it's not happening here in America -- why some people are going to use a program like this to try to go all Beyer on the Sheikhs, as it relates to their involvement in racing.

Fact remains, that work in Dubai represents an opportunity for those who go. They are mistreated and underpaid and taken advantage of. That sounds an awful lot like what's happening right under our noses in America.

Funny that we're all so interested in throwing stones at them for it though, when we've become one of the world's largest enablers and practitioners of such behavior. Ho hum.

oracle80 11-17-2006 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Revolution may be Jill R.....

revolution isn't nearly vicious enough to be Jill R. rev would have to get far worse than that for me to believe that.

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I understand why the network does stories like that.

What I don't get is why certain people get all up in arms over it as if it's not happening here in America -- why some people are going to use a program like this to try to go all Beyer on the Sheikhs, as it relates to their involvement in racing.

Fact remains, that work in Dubai represents an opportunity for those who go. They are mistreated and underpaid and taken advantage of. That sounds an awful lot like what's happening right under our noses in America.

Funny that we're all so interested in throwing stones at them for it though, when we've become one of the world's largest enablers and practitioners of such behavior. Ho hum.

First it is rich arabs that are doing this. Americans dont like arabs, especially rich ones. I have a hard time with people that talk about how bad things are in this country, especially ones that have no experience in any other. The Shieks are not democratically elected officials, they are dictators. Pretty good as dictators go but still dictators. If there are evil things going on there they not only know about it but condone it. Thats one big difference between here and there.

Cannon Shell 11-17-2006 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
revolution isn't nearly vicious enough to be Jill R. rev would have to get far worse than that for me to believe that.

Yeah you are right but they seem to have the same mental capacity.....

oracle80 11-17-2006 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah you are right but they seem to have the same mental capacity.....

You got on me that one, but revolution would have to become mean enough to watch people starving or having their lives ruined because he won't pay them money owed to them for work. I don't think Revolution is quite that mean.

brianwspencer 11-17-2006 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
First it is rich arabs that are doing this. Americans dont like arabs, especially rich ones. I have a hard time with people that talk about how bad things are in this country, especially ones that have no experience in any other. The Shieks are not democratically elected officials, they are dictators. Pretty good as dictators go but still dictators. If there are evil things going on there they not only know about it but condone it. Thats one big difference between here and there.


don't get me wrong, i don't think living in america is a bad thing. i'd certainly rather not live anywhere else, so i'm not trying to say that things are so bad here -- I just think that treating underpaid labor like **** is something that we're good at here. It's not railing on America, it's just calling a spade a spade. It's easier to point fingers are Arabs halfway around the globe though I suppose.

Danzig 11-17-2006 05:30 PM

i really think mistreatment is the exception here, but maybe more of the rule there. i don't think i have my head in the sand on this. no pun intended there.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.