Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127593)

It is inexcusable for them to intentionally mess with the track to make it faster. People play Belmont every day and know how the track plays. Sure it can change a little bit from day to day. There isn't much they can do about that. Horse players accept that.

But why would management go out of their way to intentionally make the track lightening fast (which causes a speed bias)? Nobody wants them to do that. It makes the track play totally differently from the way it normally plays. How could they not know that their customers don't want them to do that? Do they think people want to have to totally change the way they handicap?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1127609)

Even someone as clueless as you should know that picking races well in advance on tracks that end up with extreme biases is a very dicey proposition. However, it's even more disgraceful when, given everyone here knows you look at every pick I make, I have been literally crushing it over the past month ( and frankly been strong for even longer than that ). But, two days where, and you know this too, I repeatedly said I was putting very likely and logical horses second to try to find pricier alternatives, none of my "top selections" won erases all else. Good for you. You got me. You are also the worst kind of person....someone who was actually a friend of mine outside of cyberspace, who became so jealous of my relatively microscopic supposed success, that you decided to lash out on the internet ( ..and, yeah, there were those infamous Phish tickets too ). Honestly, it doesn't get any lower than you.

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1127596)

Who cares if it's slow or fast? You care there is a significant bias, for two reasons, the first is being it's hard to toss logical horses into plays if their style doesn't fit the bias, and the second is its more work because now you have to weight their effort the next time they run which is tricky.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1127610)

The track has played quickly at quite a few times during the meet. We'll have to agree to disagree that this has any relevance, in isolation, whatsoever. Now, an inside bias, something that has also happened with at least some frequency during the meet ( feel free to look at my Track Trends which are posted under the "racing" subhead on nyra.com ) does have an affect on races.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127618)

When they make the track so fast at Belmont, there is almost always a big speed bias. That is my main point.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127618)

When they make the track so fast at Belmont, there is almost always a big speed bias. That is my main point.

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1127621)

Everyone wants a fair surface. If you think the superintendent, who is considered by many to be outstanding, wants a bias surface you couldn't be more wrong. There is no way in the world he wakes up and says to himself, let's make a golden rail today.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1127620)

Two different situations. It's OK to admit it.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127625)

I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1127628)

Safe surface priority one

Working with horseman to find a surface a majority want priority two

Taking a call from "they" to speed the track up is a fantasy ESPECIALLY this day and age of hypersensitivity to track conditions and horse fatalities.

BTW who do you think made the call Yo Glenn scrape the surface we want fast times for TV?

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127625)

I don't think he wants there to be a speed bias. I think he was told to make the track really fast. On these really big days, for whatever reason, they like the track to be really fast. The result is usually a speed bias.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127630)

Somebody obviously made the call. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the track is lightening fast on days like this? I highly doubt the trackman just decides to take it upon himself to speed up the track on these big days.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1127632)

Somebody made the call? Did KYRIM steal your login? Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't even know the difference between a rail bias and a speed bias.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1127631)

But there wasn’t a speed bias. The rail was golden. That’s not the same as a speed bias. You could close yesterday. But the longer you were glued to the rail, the better you did.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1127634)

The King of Comedy is such a good movie. It really does not deserve this.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127635)

A speed bias doesn't mean you can't close. It just means it's much tougher to close. If there is a suicidal pace, someone will probably close. That doesn't mean there's not a speed bias.

I will take your word for it that there was a rail bias. It's not something I focus on.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1127638)

You weren’t aware of the inside bias but want to educate me on what a speed bias is. Tremendous. Cherry on top is using Watchmaker as proof.

Don’t change ever.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1127639)

You're totally contradicting yourself. An inside bias will automatically create a speed bias. Any horse that gets a clear lead will be on the rail. A horse with a clear lead is not going to be out in the 4 path. So the horse on the lead is going to have the rail. Many of the come-from-behinders are going to be rallying wide. So an inside bias is going to favor speed horses. That is automatic. You can't have an inside bias that doesn't favor speed.