Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1100453)

If you believe Paradise Woods ran a faster race then the colt, you believe one of 2 things: the track changed or the time of one if not both of the races are wrong. Perhaps the fig with Paradise Woods is too high? Perhaps a 4 horse loose on the lead race is not a "she is what she is" race, and is misleading? I can go with the colt didn't run a 113 and ran 100.. I cant go with Paradise Woods 1.44.34 is faster then 1.43.54. Perhaps the race to cut loose was the Zenyatta? The problem with cutting the Zenyatta loose is its not unusual for loose speed horses to run their best figs when they have dynamics their own way, which she did. I dont know just an interesting conversation

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1100456)

Its hard to say all the way around.

If you watch all four of those dirt stake races there was one horse who was really finishing and did not look like they were sucking gas at the end and that was the 2yo colt. I thought even Paradise Woods loose on the lead looked like she was getting tired a bit, and I am totally against her basically the next several months.

Elate and Bolt D Oro looked like the best prep winners to me.

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1100461)

I have no faith in Paradise Woods she is a complete fraud, until I see her race well with a small stick in her path I will pass not even remotely considering her as anything but a takeout cure. Elate beat bums, relatively speaking, I learned she is in form, I dont worry about her trainer keeping her very good yet is she really that fast? I dont know will see, she certainly is a contender.

The colt ran a 106+k beating him

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1100462)

yea, Elate may have a case of the slows. I have little faith in many of these older fillies and I can see something crazy happening.

Is there any other pace in that race but Paradise Woods? I dont think she is that good but maybe loose on the lead she may surprise.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100463)

Songbird was loose at Toga and FU ran her down. I see no reasson she wont run past Woods. Elate is the wild card that can beat her.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100466)

Plus isnt Vale Dori running?

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100465)

Paradise Woods has 2 good races where she beat no one with soft trips. The 2 times things didnt go perfectly for her she folded up badly. Would you really have any confidence in her vs FU, Elate and others?

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1100468)

I am just saying there are worse plays than her if she is lone speed.

I dont like her for the reasons you stated, but I am always nervous about talented lone speed horses.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1100467)

I think she is pointing to the F&M Sprint.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100469)

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1100471)

well, there is the rub.

She should be in the 15/1 range based on form and her running lines

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100473)

Big rub.
And on another note, I think Solomini is OK. I think he can turn the tables on Bolt as the distances increase.

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1100474)

Can't see him making that difference up. Bolt is a great two year old and will be surprised if his breeders race isnt huge.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100476)

I said as the distances increase. Meaning next year. It would be a tall task in the BC. But IMO Solomini seems like the classic wants distance type.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100470)

Huge shot turning back.

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1100469)

She seems like shes always overbet. Off her 106 and loan speed what price are you thinking? I can see her lower then Elate.

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1100478)

Heck I was liking her in the Distaff. Horse has guts.

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1100478)

Heck I was liking her in the Distaff. Horse has guts.