Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Agree with you on this one.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to see that once a horse has already established himself as a great grass horse, that the only thing left you can do to pump up his value is to try and get a good run on the dirt for him so he appeals to more breeders in the US.
Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if they attempted this.
I have absolutely no knowledge on what they will do, I just see the sense in the Classic attempt.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You are right. They dont have anything to lose and they have everything to gain. Big deal if he gets beat or even crushed in the Classic. His value as a turf sire is there and nothing is going to change that. With a victory in the classic and a couple of good crop years he could be considered a sire of sires.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well if he were owned by non billionaires, it might be different. But the chance at the purse money in the Mile to them is really worth gambling on the chance he hits the board in the Classic. I mean even if hes say third to Bernadini, just think about how much his stud value soars. He would then be placed in the most lucrative event on dirt in the US.
I don't really care either way to be honest with you. I have a tough time feeling concerned for billionaires and their "plights" with their horses.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

That is funny....it is difficult to feel a billionaire's pain when deciding which BC race their horse should run in.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

Originally Posted by Hwjb

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say, but when a horse is owned by Magnier/Tabor/Smith et al then campaign the very good horses with a future view to breeding.


Now George Washington is already a better miler than Rock of Gibraltar, so connections must feel that they have the BCM at their mecy given luck in running etc, and there seems less chance of George staying the 10f than there was with the Rock. So whilst running in the BCC may be a 'no lose' situation, when the odds are that stacked against you actually winning, surely common sense would dictate running where there is a far greater chance of something being gained.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Harry you completely missed my meaning.
I was saying that the owner of a horse, doesn't check with the breeder of the horse(person who bred the horse that they purchased it from at auction or privately) before they make a move, lol.

Originally Posted by Balletto

Its been no secret that Coolmore has desperately been trying to stand a son of Danehill in the US. They first focused on the ill-fated Landseer, but we all know how that story ended.

Then it was Dylan Thomas, hence the try on the dirty. And after that poor showing, they possibly sending Georgie into the wolves hoping for a Giant's Causeway like effort.

Remember this, Coolmore is ALWAYS about setting up a colt to appeal to the most breeders at the highest fee. I wouldnt be shocked to see them go for it. They've been biting at the bit for too long to stand a son of Danehill in N.A.

With that said, Aussie Rules is by far the best stallion-potential wise in my opinion. Would love to see him retired here. I would breed to him myself... with a mare, of course!

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I also think Oratorio would make a good US sire that carries Danehill