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Indian Charlie 06-11-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 982622)
Here is the champ last week at GGF.

He's not the one in blue.

Thanks to Janet Hollendorfer for the gracious access.

Attachment 2370

any word on his next appearance?

v j stauffer 06-11-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 982632)
any word on his next appearance?

Yeah. Jerry said he's looking at the Los Alamitos Derby formally known as the Swaps Stakes.

alysheba4 06-11-2014 05:58 PM

sounds weird, "Swaps Stakes " at Los Al.......Cant Believe H.P. Is Gone.

RockHardTen1985 06-11-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 982638)
Yeah. Jerry said he's looking at the Los Alamitos Derby formally known as the Swaps Stakes.

Seems like they are babying him.... Why not run him in a real race?

outofthebox 06-11-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 982705)
Seems like they are babying him.... Why not run him in a real race?

First route race in 7 months. Smart move i think. Hollendorfer is not Rontos Stable. Like you said, baby steps.

Rupert Pupkin 06-11-2014 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 982705)
Seems like they are babying him.... Why not run him in a real race?

It's a grade II with a $500,000 purse. That's not good enough? This will be his first race on real dirt. And as Outofthebox said, he just had the one 6 furlong sprint and now he's stretching all the way out to 1 1/8 miles. That's not easy to do. By the way, he's never run this far before.

RockHardTen1985 06-11-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 982709)
It's a grade II with a $500,000 purse. That's not good enough? This will be his first race on real dirt. And as Outofthebox said, he just had the one 6 furlong sprint and now he's stretching all the way out to 1 1/8 miles. That's not easy to do. By the way, he's never run this far before.

His first race back was at Golden Gate vs no one. His only competition in that race was a stablemate who was ridden, well watch the race....
He is the 2yr old champ. Is he coming east next for the big summer 3yr old races? If so Ill back off my comments.

Rupert Pupkin 06-11-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 982710)
His first race back was at Golden Gate vs no one. His only competition in that race was a stablemate who was ridden, well watch the race....
He is the 2yr old champ. Is he coming east next for the big summer 3yr old races? If so Ill back off my comments.

He will be running in the biggest races soon enough. Hollendorfer has never been afraid to ship back east. I don't know if the horse will make the Haskell. It is 22 days after the Los Al race. That is borderline. There aren't any big races at Del Mar for 3 year olds on the main track. The big races are on the grass. I would assume the Travers is a possibility. If the horse has no problem handling the 1 1/8 miles at Los Al, they may feel he's ready to stretch out to 1 1/4 miles in the Travers.

RockHardTen1985 06-12-2014 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 982712)
He will be running in the biggest races soon enough. Hollendorfer has never been afraid to ship back east. I don't know if the horse will make the Haskell. It is 22 days after the Los Al race. That is borderline. There aren't any big races at Del Mar for 3 year olds on the main track. The big races are on the grass. I would assume the Travers is a possibility. If the horse has no problem handling the 1 1/8 miles at Los Al, they may feel he's ready to stretch out to 1 1/4 miles in the Travers.

I guess my point is how many champions run at Golden Gate and Los Al??? It feels to me like the perfect spot for him surface, timing and distance wise was last Saturday.

outofthebox 06-12-2014 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 982716)
I guess my point is how many champions run at Golden Gate and Los Al??? It feels to me like the perfect spot for him surface, timing and distance wise was last Saturday.

Are you serious. I hope your not referring to the Belmont Stakes Saturday? A 1 1/2 mile off a six furlong race..nice...Im sure if he was stabled on the east coast there was a good chance he would have made his 3yo debut in the Woody Stephens. But the Dorf was lucky enough to get a race put up for him and now he is on his way. I hope like all of us that he can dirt and compete in the Travers this summer...

Pants II 06-12-2014 09:15 AM

Wouldn't be surprised to see California Chrome in the Los AL derby.

outofthebox 06-12-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 982733)
Wouldn't be surprised to see California Chrome in the Los AL derby.

He might lead the post parade just for kicks..That would bring out a big crowd...

Arletta 06-12-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 982737)
He might lead the post parade just for kicks..That would bring out a big crowd...

He's off to the farm for a break.. Not expected to return until the fall.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...easy-at-los-al

RockHardTen1985 06-12-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 982729)
Are you serious. I hope your not referring to the Belmont Stakes Saturday? A 1 1/2 mile off a six furlong race..nice...Im sure if he was stabled on the east coast there was a good chance he would have made his 3yo debut in the Woody Stephens. But the Dorf was lucky enough to get a race put up for him and now he is on his way. I hope like all of us that he can dirt and compete in the Travers this summer...

Woody Stephens.....

outofthebox 06-12-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 982750)
Woody Stephens.....

Gotcha...Well good thing he didn't show up there against Bayerns blow out..

Indian Charlie 06-12-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox (Post 982756)
Gotcha...Well good thing he didn't show up there against Bayerns blow out..

Seriously?

Rupert Pupkin 06-12-2014 05:04 PM

As good as Shared Belief has been on the synthetics, they may decide to go in the Pacific Classic instead of shipping back east. There have been a few 3 year olds that have won that race. Dullahan won it in 2012. Aside from Game on Dude, the handicap division on the west coast is not that strong right now. And Game on Dude is not as consistent as he used to be. He ran that one huge race this year but his other couple of races were just mediocre.

Pants II 06-12-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 982738)
He's off to the farm for a break.. Not expected to return until the fall.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...easy-at-los-al

Meh.

So one prep for the bc.


That's garbage. Bet that changes.

outofthebox 06-12-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 982758)
Seriously?

Yes, The last thing you want for a horse coming off a long layoff is a demanding race..Which is why Hollendorfer picked out a condition race for him.

Rupert Pupkin 06-15-2014 01:39 AM

Now they're saying they might go in the San Diego Handicap instead of the Los Alamitos Derby. They'd have to go against older horses in there but the advantages are that it is on synthetic and it is only 1 1/16 miles. I guess they are having second thoughts about running 1 1/8 miles on the dirt coming off just a 6 furlong race on the synthetic. I can't blame them.

The big negative (aside from running against older horses) if they go in the San Diego Handicap is that this would put them in a position where they have to go from running 1 1/16 miles to 1 1/4 miles if his subsequent start was going to be either the Travers or the Pacific Classic. It is very rare to see a horse that has never run further than 1 1/16 miles win a Grade 1 going 1 1/4 miles. It practically never happens. I've seen it a few times but it is very rare. Maybe they will pass on both the Pacific Classic and the Travers and try him on the grass in the Del Mar Derby (1 1/8 miles). That would be a little more conservative.


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