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GPK 10-02-2006 08:49 AM
The Chocolate Chip cookies Gander's wife made while I was there last month didn't help either.

LOL...poor Timmy turned his back for a few seconds and *poof*....they were gone:D :D

oracle80 10-02-2006 09:12 AM
Well I sure won't be betting anything but grass there.
The results at Turfway on Saturday just confirm that poly is just about impossible to bet.
Ball Four is obviously a specialist on "poly" but I don't know anyone who would bet 50 cents on him against the field he just beat on dirt.
And the juvenile stakes were pretty comical as well as far as outcomes.
Reigning Court? You have to be kidding me.
And the older filly and mare stakes was comical as well.
I didn't bet a penny on that card, and my friends who did were home crying and broke after it was over. That card alone was a pretty good advertisement for why not to wager on Polytrack.
Keeneland won't get a dime from me on anything but grass races.

Pointg5 10-02-2006 09:15 AM
Bingo!

I was starting to think I was wrong about the Poly and then took one look at the entries and results from KY Cup Day and knew that I was right all along. Those results make no sense and Keeneland will be a blender this Meet...

oracle80 10-02-2006 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Bingo!

I was starting to think I was wrong about the Poly and then took one look at the entries and results from KY Cup Day and knew that I was right all along. Those results make no sense and Keeneland will be a blender this Meet...
Beautiful Bets!! LOL!!!
How about Flints horse in the juvy fillies who couldn't even go 5 furlongs before and then crushes them going two turns?
As far as Ghetto goes, I mean lets be honest, a horse like that breaking from the outside is hard to even fathom.
And check out the chart calls that day, 3 times, and this is RARE for a chartcaller to say, the chart said lost footing next to the horses running line.
Many horses simply can't grab it.
Wagering on races conducted over poly is a fools errand.
Ball Four? I mean, please. I can see how he could be played as a poly specialist in that race but no way would he even hit the board if the race was on dirt.
I'll let others play Keeneland, no thanks for me. I have zero interest in playing a surface in which Beautiful Bets can beat a field like that going two turns.

Gander 10-02-2006 09:32 AM
Ball Four would have never won had Premium Tap not almost fallen down. He would have probably run 2nd in light of that stupid ride by Leparoux on Perfect Drift. So I dont blame Ball Four winning on the polycrap, rather the dumb race riding by two guys who are supposed to be great jockeys (Leparoux and Desormeaux).

eurobounce 10-02-2006 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Beautiful Bets!! LOL!!!
How about Flints horse in the juvy fillies who couldn't even go 5 furlongs before and then crushes them going two turns?
As far as Ghetto goes, I mean lets be honest, a horse like that breaking from the outside is hard to even fathom.
And check out the chart calls that day, 3 times, and this is RARE for a chartcaller to say, the chart said lost footing next to the horses running line.
Many horses simply can't grab it.
Wagering on races conducted over poly is a fools errand.
Ball Four? I mean, please. I can see how he could be played as a poly specialist in that race but no way would he even hit the board if the race was on dirt.
I'll let others play Keeneland, no thanks for me. I have zero interest in playing a surface in which Beautiful Bets can beat a field like that going two turns.
I find it just as easy to handicap PolyTrack than the dirt at Turfway. Now, I didn't have Ball Four and he won based on luck. Perfect Drift and Premium Tap had awful trips. But both seem to like the surface, they got horrible trips. And when it comes to Juve races, well you just never know. Remember Wilko????

randallscott35 10-02-2006 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GPK
Peanut M&M's and Iced Venti White Chocolate Mocha's from Starbucks tend to stand in my way:o

Yeah Kev, b/c you are really overweight. You don't even look remotely heavy.

oracle80 10-02-2006 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cardus
While I agree that it is foolish to wager on Polytrack without seeing a horse's form over it, I used Ball Four (but did not single him) in the NTRA Pick Four precisely for that reason. It made sense to include him. Someone asked me who I liked for a win bet, and I said that you simply cannot single one horse, particularly when you could not forecast how the big names in the race would respond to it. And I'm not sure how well workouts over Polytrack will help with handicapping, either. How many times do we hear trainers say that their turf horses work great over the main track before entering them in big Grade One races on dirt? Then, faced with competition and pace, they forget to change leads or quit when being pelted with sand.

I'll watch Keeneland's Polytrack races from the sidelines. There is more than enough top notch turf action to keep me occupied.

Enjoy the Keeneland turf racing.
Flints filly and BB were about impossible to play, or even include.

todko 10-02-2006 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Makes me want to vomit!!

Thanks PP, the Bengals got drilled yesterday and now I have to have this to remind me of how bad Keeneland is going to be...The Fall Meet at KEE was by far my best Meet of the year, for the last 4 years, had a signer out of it...I was in Lexington last Weekend, must have had 20 people ask me what weekends I was coming down for KEE, they were all stunned when I told them I was boycotting Keeneland...
PointG5,

Are you boycotting because of the poly? Turfway Park player?

Just wondering . . . fought with it last fall and through the winter at Turfway and finally ended up profitable. This revised poly is better . . . should be better to play than the old stuff.

Round Pen 10-02-2006 12:13 PM
Sorry guys I can't Complain About the Poly and Handicapping I had a $10 Exacta in the Juvenille and a $10 exacta in the Juvenille Fillies. I had Keyed both horse that ran 2nd in both races I had boxed them with several horses in each race.

I am not a huge bettor but I will step up and make a big play on occassion Especially if its horse I had something to do with. And I will continue that even if its at Keeneland.

I have no trouble learning to adapt to betting horses on the Polytrack.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 10-02-2006 09:38 PM
if you truly consider yourself a fan of this game then you havent experienced the full purity of it until youve been to keeneland for live racing, the atmosphere is absolutely undescribable!!!!!!

Sightseek 10-02-2006 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
if you truly consider yourself a fan of this game then you havent experienced the full purity of it until youve been to keeneland for live racing, the atmosphere is absolutely undescribable!!!!!!
I can; it sucks.

Give me spacious Saratoga where the sun doesn't set in your eyes while your trying to watch a race.............

DiscreetCat=Monster 10-02-2006 10:50 PM
Ahhh Kentucky Women.....SHHHHHHAAAWINNG:D

SniperSB23 10-02-2006 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I can; it sucks.

Give me spacious Saratoga where the sun doesn't set in your eyes while your trying to watch a race.............
.......and they don't let everyone and their brother wander into the paddock so they can parade around like they are someone important.

No lie I put it behind Aqueduct in the ranking of tracks I have been to.

Sightseek 10-02-2006 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
.......and they don't let everyone and their brother wander into the paddock so they can parade around like they are someone important.

No lie I put it behind Aqueduct in the ranking of tracks I have been to.
Nostrodamus and his brother ARE important! (I'm just kidding w/ you Nostro)
I'd place Oaklawn above Keeneland.

Coach Pants 10-02-2006 11:15 PM
Look at the New York homers put down Keeneland.

SniperSB23 10-02-2006 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Look at the New York homers put down Keeneland.
I love Churchill so it has nothing to do with that. I'd put Keeneland ahead of Saratoga Harness!

blackthroatedwind 10-02-2006 11:22 PM
I'm a New Yorker, and I've been to Keeneland about sixty times, and I love it. I understand the complaints people have, and it is tough on a crowded or rainy/cold day, but I just love it there. Sorry, but there are too few racetracks left that are alive...and Keeneland is one of them.

I also love Lexington. I love going to the horse farms, I love driving around the area, and I love going to the bars at night. I wish the food didn't suck and I wish the bars stayed open til 4am, but you can't have everything....unless you live in NYC.

Coach Pants 10-02-2006 11:24 PM


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