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jms62 10-03-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1000512)
Statement from Breeders' Cup Ltd., President and CEO Craig Fravel

“Due to the recent administrative action by the New York State Gaming Commission, Breeders' Cup Limited has informed trainer Doug O'Neill, and has notified the California Horse Racing Board, of the provisions of the Breeders' Cup Convicted Trainers rule. Under that rule, adopted in 2010 and amended in 2012, Mr. O’Neill will not be permitted to pre-enter horses in the 2014 Breeders’ Cup World Championships.”

The Breeders’ Cup Convicted Trainers Rule states the following: No person may participate as a trainer of a horse pre-entered or entered in a Breeders’ Cup World Championships race if that person, during the twelve months preceding the Breeders’ Cup World Championships, has been found by any racing regulatory agency, whether a governmental agency or a non-governmental regulatory body, to have violated a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of any substance listed under Class 1, carrying Category “A” or “B” penalties, or Class 2, carrying a Category “A” penalty, in the Association of Racing Commissioners International Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances or a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of steroids and the appeal periods for such finding shall have expired or all appeals, if any, will have received final disposition (a “Drug Conviction”).

Would be nice if they don't allow a O'Neill by Proxy trained horse to run.

Danzig 10-03-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 1000513)
Asmussen must have been horrified to learn that the horse he claimed had raced with a forbidden substance.

:D

Danzig 10-03-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1000514)
Would be nice if they don't allow a O'Neill by Proxy trained horse to run.

they should perhaps add a rule that a horse in the barn of a trainer under suspension can't enter under another's name unless he's been moved for at least 14 days-or something along those lines.

Aly-Sheba 10-04-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1000518)
they should perhaps add a rule that a horse in the barn of a trainer under suspension can't enter under another's name unless he's been moved for at least 14 days-or something along those lines.

Yes that would be a good start. Until they start putting a lot of pressure on the owners, these trainers will continue.

Danzig 10-04-2014 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 1000667)
Yes that would be a good start. Until they start putting a lot of pressure on the owners, these trainers will continue.

except it really doesn't matter the more I think about it.

trainers have friends in high places, the owners. along with others in the industry. so, when someone breaks a rule, they all defend said trainer. he would never, he's a nice guy, etc. so, the supposed powers that be really don't do much, because they don't want the owners to leave the game, thus taking away their money. so, they don't do anything.

so, why bother with the testing and other protocols? just say, forget it. because they spend time and money, and pretend to want to change things....but only some really want to change it. plenty of others want to win at all costs, and they have the money and power.
but hey, let's all bash on Lasix, the poster boy of drugs...while turning a blind eye to horses mysteriously developing medical issues, dying in a trainers barn at a high rate, etc. nothing to see there, move along.

ontheoutside 10-05-2014 11:35 AM

does that mean no oniels horse can run?
 
i understand barring the trainer
but what about the owners
kind of not fair to them
can they switch toanother trainer so they can run?

Danzig 10-05-2014 05:56 PM

Not fair to them? They hired him, knowing his record.

casp0555 10-05-2014 09:22 PM

DON statement from DON Racing website.

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state.html

Rupert Pupkin 10-06-2014 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheoutside (Post 1000958)
i understand barring the trainer
but what about the owners
kind of not fair to them
can they switch toanother trainer so they can run?

They won't need to switch trainers. In most of these cases, the horses just run in the assistant trainer's name. I'm sure that is what will happen here.

Rupert Pupkin 10-07-2014 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1001031)
They won't need to switch trainers. In most of these cases, the horses just run in the assistant trainer's name. I'm sure that is what will happen here.

I think I spoke too soon. In this particular case, the horses will not be allowed to simply run in the assistant's name, at least not in New York. The question is whether other states will reciprocate on that specific part of the ruling.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...in-california/

pointman 10-09-2014 05:00 PM

O'Neill suspended again for probationary violation.

http://www.drf.com/news/probation-vi...her-suspension

Apparently, the CHRB doesn't understand what a "stay" means despite the fact that they originally gave one to O'Neill.

But, you know, it must have been the hay that was in the stall before his horse was put there.

cmorioles 10-09-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001411)
O'Neill suspended again for probationary violation.

http://www.drf.com/news/probation-vi...her-suspension

Apparently, the CHRB doesn't understand what a "stay" means despite the fact that they originally gave one to O'Neill.

They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

pointman 10-09-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 1001412)
They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

10 pnt move up 10-09-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 1001412)
They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

Its awesome isnt it.

Racing.

cmorioles 10-09-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001413)
I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

Because it is horse racing? I can't answer, I just shake my head.

Danzig 10-09-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001413)
I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

That's how it used to be. Seems tho that asmussen served two separate sentences simultaneously a few years ago.
Like I said, they say they want a clean sport.....but we all know actions speak louder than words,don't they?

Danzig 10-10-2014 10:51 AM

The CHRB and O'Neill entered into a stipulated agreement, under which the controversial trainer is suspended for 135 days—90 days of which are stayed—and placed on probation for 18 months for violation of a board decision May 24, 2012.

and why did they stay 90 days?! it's not as tho he's been clean as a whistle until now.
absolutely ridiculous.

Pants II 10-10-2014 11:12 AM

O'Neill ran into PVal after the hearing...


casp0555 10-10-2014 04:54 PM

most recent statement from DON posted on Team O'Neill Racing website

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state2.html

cmorioles 10-11-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1001521)
most recent statement from DON posted on Team O'Neill Racing website

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state2.html

That letter sums up everything that is wrong...OUR TEAM. There is no punishment in reality, just business as usual with O'Neill getting some vacation time.


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