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Calzone Lord 11-24-2012 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 903737)
I guess he's one of your pets, but it's silly to defend his performance in the Demoiselle.

He's ridden over 4,400 races in his career as a jockey -- and he's showing a flat-bet profit.

I've never met the guy, never heard the guy talk, I don't know him. If you want to call him one of my pets, it's because I like what I've seen from him.

I agree with a lot of what you said, and disagree with pretty much none of it.

There just was never a good option for him, and that was the result largely of stuff out of his control (losing the break, his chief rival having a tactical edge and getting no pressure at all, and his horse not wanting to settle)

Was it a bad ride? Technically, yes. But, those aren't the kind of rides that I believe are trademarks of bad jockeys. The more egregious errors are the ones where riders actually have good options available to them and instead make bad decisions. And the bad jockeys make a habit of commiting those egregious errors.

Calzone Lord 11-24-2012 11:25 PM

Here's the head-on replay on Youtube if anyone wants to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmXmH...ature=youtu.be


Alan Garcia was never going to let him outside of Velazquez and in the clear down the backside. He would have had to come over and knock him sideways to achieve that.

Indian Charlie 11-25-2012 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 903738)
He's ridden over 4,400 races in his career as a jockey -- and he's showing a flat-bet profit.

I've never met the guy, never heard the guy talk, I don't know him. If you want to call him one of my pets, it's because I like what I've seen from him.

I agree with a lot of what you said, and disagree with pretty much none of it.

There just was never a good option for him, and that was the result largely of stuff out of his control (losing the break, his chief rival having a tactical edge and getting no pressure at all, and his horse not wanting to settle)

Was it a bad ride? Technically, yes. But, those aren't the kind of rides that I believe are trademarks of bad jockeys. The more egregious errors are the ones where riders actually have good options available to them and instead make bad decisions. And the bad jockeys make a habit of commiting those egregious errors.

You used egregious twice in that post.

Did you just learn that word?

blackthroatedwind 11-25-2012 07:38 AM

I never said he was a bad jockey, in fact just the opposite, but you are being a bit defensive....because he's one of your pets ( which, by the way, in no way implies you know him ). You have posted about forty times here about his fllat-bet profit stats. We get it.

It was more inexperience than anything else.

I did love how Johnny claimed the rail was dead, or deeper, which I assume was him creating an excuse for Revolutionary.

Calzone Lord 11-25-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 903752)
It was more inexperience than anything else.

I respectfully disagree. And you are a bigger pet of mine -- and I don't have any trouble taking issue with you.

I think it was probably checkmate before they even got to the 3/4 pole and any decision was made.

In horse racing, unlike chess, the race continues after checkmate.

I'm sure you'll hate that, but...a little Isaac Asimov for Indian Charlie and his love of Sci-Fi.

I was compelled to defend Junior because I don't think it was inexperience or a lesson he can learn from. I know you are well aware of the point I'm about to make...but since I've already quoted Mike Tyson and Isaac Asimov in this thread...

You know what I love most about Julius Caesar? As he crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC and marched on Rome to start the civil war, he said probably the most famous quote ever spoken by a Roman: "Alea iacta est" or "the die is cast" ... language taken straight from the gambling tables of his day.

I think it is awesome that Caesar knew he was rolling the dice and even though he thought the world of himself and his men, he knew the final outcome of the war would likely come down to chance, randomness, or factors outside of his control ... and he needed the dice to roll his way to win.

Anyway, my father thought it was a terrible ride. He was bitching about it this morning. He moved way too soon, why the hell wasn't Lezcano on him, etc. I didn't even bother to put on a defense for my supposed pet with him.

And speaking of what I believe was a true case of inexperience ... this is the result of me driving at 6AM in bad conditions (snow and ice) this morning.









Luckily I only paid $4,000 for it. I was too dumb to get collision coverage with my insurance because I don't drive a lot.

I'm just happy to be alive. Pretty weird feeling.

blackthroatedwind 11-25-2012 09:46 AM

I stopped reading at the mention of Julius Caesar.

The fault, dear Druggie, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.

Calzone Lord 11-25-2012 10:09 AM

I believe those are Shakespeare's words.

pointman 11-27-2012 03:12 PM

What happened to Bono? He was approaching legendary status in his first two posts.


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