Ayn Rand was right. You're wrong. The "life" you claim exists immediately due to the mistake of a living being is really none of your business.

You complain about liberals wanting too much control of our lives while talking out the other side of your mouth that you want control over others.

Stop being a dic.khead.

most abortions are performed in the first eight weeks of the pregnancy. the vast majority are within the first 12-16. very, very few after that, and usually in an attempt to save the mothers' life. and virtually zero after the time period in which a fetus could concievably live if born.

and there's no way of knowing just how many are performed due to not using bc, as compared to bc failure. and it certainly can fail. as for public dime, laws have been in place since roe v wade to prevent public moneys being used, except for just what you said.

Only because the criminal sentenced to capital punishment gets due process of law and is found guilty, where the fetus is innocent by definition and gets no due process whatsoever.

Yep. It's absurd alright but not in the way you intended.

The first paragraph was a mockery of the religious pro-life nutter belief. And it was funny to me.

no one gets sentenced to death unless they first choose to commit a heinous crime.
and you're right, fetuses don't get due process, because they aren't a human being and can't present themselves in court.

banning abortion would be imposing a view. supporting roe v wade gives the individual the right to decide. so, joey, you have the right to decide never to have one.

So Ayn Rand is right about a figurative "death sentence", but in citing the real death caused by abortion I am wrong? Brilliant point - really.

I don't want to control anybody. I want there to be less murder of innocent babies - we call that abortion. I want people to think before they take risks, if they decide to take the risk anyway to realize they have the responsibility for what comes next, and that murdering an innocent person (their child) is not an option. Oh yeah - I'm a real control freak for that.

Your last statement is meaningless except as an admission that you have lost the argument by reverting to personal insults. You have nothing left to offer. Your well has run dry.

How about the person(s) who commit this murder called abortion? Have any special insults for them? I didn't kill anybody, so your words for them must be even more severe.

Does the baby have the right to decide to live?

then it should please you to know that the number of abortions performed annually has seen a steady decline over the last 20 years or so. that's without reversing roe v wade.
since birth rates are also down, it would indicate that the moves to educate more people about bc is working, and that people are mitigating risk.

a baby is protected under the laws of the land.

You're offended over my insult yet are calling anyone who has an abortion a murderer.

You're a class A dic.khead and a punk. Everything that's wrong with this country.

Absolutely. It would be great if people didn't seek out abortion, abandoning the practice like they have abandoned smoking. And education should continue in that vein and hopefully more and more people will come to respect life, plan their family expansion according to their situation and what they can accommodate and take precautions.

I would not be as forceful on this subject except for the fact that I really do believe that life begins at conception. It's about the kids. We reserve our worst punishments for those who commit crimes against children - except if they are killed in utero. Very strange set of values our society has conglomerated.

The person making the "choice" is not the same person who is dying. That's a big problem.

"Murderer" is not an insult. It is the accurate technical description for someone who chooses to act to take a life of someone else without justification.

You cannot "insult" someone by calling them a murderer if they have not killed anyone. A fetus is a living thing until aborted. Sounds like murder to me.

Those at PETA think it's murder to slay a steer to make filet mignon. Some of those same people don't see it that way with abortion.

So perspective is important.

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since your last post.

and many, including myself, don't think life begins at conception. i know others are like yourself, and believe otherwise. i have no issue with your beliefs at all. however, much like you said above about biden, i also think people should decide for themselves, which is why the law should be left alone. that way, people can do just that.

one concern i do have tho, is many of the same who want roe v wade changed, also advocate getting rid of birth control. imo that is absolutely ludicrous as a viable suggestion, and is another example of people trying to force their beliefs on others. if people want to use the rhythm method, hey, more power to them. but i'd rather stick to tried and true methods. they say god will provide, i say he already has-he's given us the mental ability to learn how to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

sure it is. a murder is committed against a person. a living being. a fetus isn't a person, or a living being. it could eventually become one. your opinion on when life begins doesn't make you judge and jury. i think the world would be a lot better place if people would all mind their own business, and just treat each other with common courtesy, rather than worry about what somone might be doing that doesn't involve you at all. it's none of your business.

I agree with you there. There is no issue with birth control the way I see it. It's not a singular living thing until both sperm and egg join, creating a unique new DNA series and a singular, growing organism. Keeping these two things apart is perfectly fine since you will not start the process of DNA definition and subsequent growth.

I see this strictly from a science point of view of defining where human life must begin. To be a human you have to have 46 chromosomes, not just 23 like reproductive cells do. And you have to be in one piece - whether that's a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, etc.

If someone is subsidized thru the new Obamacare exchanges and abortion coverage is included in that policy, public money is used. Henry Hyde be damned.

That said I'm all for abortions, especially for those unable to raise kids on their own and relying on me. It's far cheaper to abort than house, feed and educate.

i tell you what, go take out a life insurance policy on your zygote when your wife gets pregnant. get a ss number for that little cluster of cells as well. and let us all know how that turns out for you. should be a piece of cake.

In retrospect this was a great call.