It won't be as cool to redboard hitting this. Does that count as a reason?

Can't? That's probably not the right word to use, but in a nutshell, and I'll be serious for a second, it's too convoluted. It's actually intellectually kind of interesting, but it's too complicated to garner enough interest to make it work.

I'm not as big on the whole " the industry needs new bets " thing as some people. That doesn't make me right...but it's my opinion. We have interesting bets, sometimes however we hurt them by offering too many options when our handle can't support them, and we end up diluting the handles too much.

Your bet is kind of cool....but it won't fly....in my opinion.

Agreed. They present a real problem. The bet is badly hurt by small fields. In order to really work you would need consistent full fields.

i don't know that any track would be interested in a bet that involves picking just losers. seems there'd be an awful lot of concern about losing on purpose. i think that's why they don't have bets now like that here, but they do overseas.
interesting idea, but i doubt it would get used.

Definitely an issue. Maybe a late scratch means a free square for everyone. And perhaps the same could hold true for five horse fields and less.

I think it would be much easier to hit than you think.

Why are you still posting on this thread? I mean, I realize Andy jumped in AFTER you proclaimed it wasn't worth your time and now you want to take any chance to look witty in front of him. But stick to your guns, man.

You are, in fact, male, right?

These are major issues. Another issue is the average 2-3 time per month OTB bettor doesn't do the whole card in advance. This type of bet needs advance work that a good percentage of horse players don't put in.

I thinks it's kind of a neat idea that would be fun on big racing days. It's to hard to implement on a daily basis.

Taking shots at my man is definitely not going to curry favor with me.

I appreciate you standing up for me.

very good point.

Legit concern, but I think enough people would play it. Just like the Pick 6 and the Place Pick All.

I think being the lone winner would be tough. And to hit it at all, you pretty much have to either have a card where not one price hits, OR you have to spot a live longshot that others will miss.

The last thing racing needs is more silly exotic bets that dilute the already dwindling pools we have.

The irony here is priceless.

Picking losers is not as easy as one would think. I knew a guy that would put up any amount of money that his opponent couldn't pick 100 consecutive losers. Had to be on the same curcuit with no races passed. He won much more often than he lost.

Much easier to do at a slots track in the mid-atlantic with gyp trainers starting nags in almost every race with big field sizes -- than tracks that offer quite a few small fields but relatively more competitive racing.

I think it would make a pretty cool long term contest to see who could pick the highest percentage of favorites who finish worse than 3rd.

A title of Pathetic, smug jerkoff around here should be a badge of honor... certainly nothing to get defensive about.

I'm seriously considering only posting in the form of Haiku's from now on.

Yeah. My guy always offered the play in So. Cal. To this day remember the one time I tried it. Was at loser 96 when in the first race at Santa Anita a horse who a week before had been trounced at Caliente named Bigbadandmean trained by Anthony Hemerick scooted home at 46-1 in a seven horse 10k claimer. During the sequence there were several times I had to survive close scrapes with 2nd place finishes sometimes pretty close photos. Not as easy as one might think.

Even people that like me on here call me worse. Cmon Mountain Dew. Cowboy up and fire away!!