I don't believe for a moment that this movement is "left wing" or inherently "liberally bias" either. Regardless of what Fox News wants to cram down their drone's throats.

The main ideals were pointed out very poignantly in a previous post (#17).


Unfortunately most of the responsible supporters of the movement can't afford to lay around in a park all day and all night with no agenda and no end in sight. It would be refreshing to see some organization, a unified message, and some castigation for the fringe anti-capitalist, dirtheads and hangers on that have attached themselves to this for their own personal reasons (like so they can sit around in a drum circle and smoke dope all day) and in turn have not only drawn negative attention to OWS, but have drawn attention away from the original message.

Neither - it is the Electorate's fault for laying complacent and allowing criminals to infiltrate Wall St. and the Gov't without reproach.

Are you a joke? What I said was that yes, yesterday afternoon, when the park was re-opened, yes, there were estimates of two to three thousand people there. From the people actually there: police, news, feeds from the ground.

Feel free to continue to call them false. After all, you walked by the park a few weeks ago, so you are an expert on what happened when the park re-opened yesterday around 5:00pm.

Hint to Dell: Zuccotti is not a NYC park. It is a private park, whose use has been deeded to the city via contract. It has different rules than the NYC parks.

Why do you falsely characterize the protesters as being "all about coveting other's possessions"?

Your factual ignorance about this protest, which has roots in 200 cities internationally, is simply astounding.

Actually, no, the judge just ruled camping out illegal yesterday in the overturning of the temporary restraining order. There was no reference to camping before that in this type of park, only the NYC owned parks. That's why there was alot of confusion in the first forty days, and why Bloomberg allowed it.

Until, at 1:00am with only 10 minutes warning, he sent in his stormtroopers to illegal seize citizens property, and arrest them for exercising their constitutional rights.

True. Most of the protesters are employed, many are not just "students" or the young. Many are at the various Occupy protests while they are on vacation days.

The Occupy movement is primarily protesting the ownership of this government by monied corporate interests, to the detriment of the vast majority of it's citizens.

That people are defending that shows how effective their propaganda machine has been over the past 40 years.

Good for him! :tro:

It's OUR fault, for allowing it to happen.

Good grief: look at the current GOP candidates: Herman Cain is wholly-owned by the Koch brothers (as is his chief of staff, Mark Block, they both were lecturers on the Koch circuit and employees), Newt Gingrich was exposed just today to be lying about the millions he received as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac (he denied the income and the lobbying). We elect these people. Yes, Obama has tons of ties to Goldman Sachs.

Occupy says that's over. Dems, Republicans, it doesn't matter - if you are owned by lobbyists, if you govern for them and not us, your days are numbered. It's that simple.

Occupy has spread to 200 occupations world-wide. It will be the most potent political force in the next election. It is completely non-partisan.

That scares the status quo corporatists, as they will not be able to purchase it, as they did the Tea Party.

i disagree.
the buyer is wrong, but i would think the seller would be more so. but i am neither, how am i at fault? all i'm asking is, how can you blame wall street? you can't buy what someone else isn't selling. the govt is supposed to do what's best, not what's purchased. if they have no honor, they need to go. they're supposed to be the ones who make laws to prevent things such as the whole banking scandal. instead, congress voted to get rid of regulations to prevent what happened after-and now we know why. if you're bought, you know immediately you're corrupt. it's not something voters find out about right away. now we know, so hopefully now there will be action.
lol yeah, right.
just like congress was going to become more ethical. the fox is watching the henhouse in that regard.

this is one of the reasons i advocate term limits. people can't become entrenched and send pork back for their constituents to get fat on, if they can't stay long enough to become 'too big to fail'.
as for cain, he's not a current officeholder, not sure what you mentioned him for. it's the decades-long senators and representatives who have figured out how to work the system.

Sure they will, in the end it will just come cheaper.

Because he is a self-described, "Koch brotha by another motha". He and his campaign chief Block have long worked for the Koch brothers and their PAC. Everyone knows this - Cain even BRAGS about it, see above quote - Cain has run for Senator and President before. Who is keeping his campaign financed? Look at his campaign finance documents. Before Cain worked for the Koch brothers, he was (famously) lobbyist for the National Restaurant Association.

Cain is a wholly-owned corporate candidate. He is currently owned by the Koch brothers. And they are not even shy about saying that. Yet there are tons of American voters out there who mistakenly think Cain is some kind of magical "independent businessman" with no ties to Washington? Good grief, Cain himself brags on his Koch connection! He is proud of it!

Cain is what OWS is all about.

Any effect that it will have is to hurt moderate Democrats in toss-up districts and states.

How?

I will say that "moderate Dems" today (not blue dogs) is exactly what a Republican was 20 years ago :D Our Democratic party is very conservative, compared to the rest of first world countries.

The Democratic party has more politicians aligned with OWS values than the Republicans (zero) but half the Dems are corporate owned puppets, too.

OWS isn't going to go to candidates and endorse them. OWS is about values, morality and ethics in government, getting the American government back into the hands of the citizens, and getting corporate ownership out.

Candidates - like Elizabeth Warren - that support OWS type values will win overwhelmingly. She's already drawing legendary crowd numbers to support her candidacy.

The Republican party seems to be currently imploding with extremism and corporate ownership. Walker (Wisconsin), Kasich (Ohio) and Scott (Florida) are the most disliked governors in the country. All swing states that will affect the downticket candidates. Kasich just had his signature union-busting legislation repealed, his voter ID blocking is up for repeal now, too; Walker is currently under a recall attempt with multiple other Republicans in government in Wisconsin. Florida can't recall Scott, but they have major buyers regret. He's the least liked governor in the country.

Thus the Occupy movement, I think, will NOT hurt those moderate Dems, but help them, as they are so contrasted with the extremes the Republicans have become. So many people have left the current Republican party to call themselves "Independents", because they don't want to be associated with the John Birch Society/Republicans, I think those will embrace those "moderate Dems" (who are actually a more typical Republican).

There are only 25-28% of people that strongly self-identify as "Republican" with the current party. I think all the ex-Republicans will become the new "moderate Dems" and "independents" and there will emerge a smaller (25-30%) new and very progressive wing of the Democratic party (more Occupy). The current Republican party will be relegated to third party status.

Your thoughts?

Why don't you simply pay attention to the news stories, the live images, the pictures?

News story on the eviction and the reopening, with lots of video, Richard Engle on the ground at Zucotti park last night as it was reopening: http://abcnews.go.com/US/Economy/occ...ry?id=14955681

Below, around 7pm, Zucotti park after it was reopened yesterday (barricaded by the PD, two openings for entrance,exit with police inspection, park surrounded by police barricades, entire park filled and people filled sidewalks surrounding park)



Protesters waiting to be readmitted to park

OWS is not presenting a coherent message, and I suppose that is part of its charm to participants who feel they have an equal say in where OWS goes from here. But no organization can survive without any sort of hierarchy. Orders from the the generals at the top eventually make their way to the foot soldiers.

If OWS is a sustainable NATIONAL political movement, then you will see like-minded Democratic candidates in swing states embrace it next summer. Otherwise, it is going to be relegated to having influence in liberal districts and states. Remember, what plays in New York does not necessarily play in Little Rock. If OWS is viewed as a movement hijacked by liberal extremists, then don't count on independents siding with them over the Republicans.

Then what was his excuse for sending in storm troopers at 1:00am yesterday?

None. I know very well the dimensions of the park, having watched multiple live feeds, including overheads, over the past six weeks. Yeah, it's very small. When multiple news feeds show and say there are two to three thousand people there when it opened yesterday at 5:00pm, and yeah, it sure looks like that - I believe it.

You are free to continue deny that's physically possible. :D :zz:

Well, I think that disallows anything I say about it, certainly! :D