Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 802191)

Can't blame you a bit for that.

She must be thinking of someone else that she actually knows.

By the way, how does one go about changing their logon here? I'm thinking about "Order" - you know, the "anti-riot". :D

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 802194)

it would be nice if people would buy short and long term disability coverage, wouldn't it? another available service that many ignore and then find a need.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802265)

People can't afford it, 'Zig. Health insurance is too expensive for most in the US unless they have an employer to help them out, and ignoring insurance and just purchasing the healthcare you need is completely unaffordable. As I said yesterday, UK charges $193 to see a GP for 15 minutes if you don't have insurance? That's absurd.

Healthcare in the US is 1/5 of our economy. It's only 4-6% in other first world countries. Our system is badly broken.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802265)

People can't afford it, 'Zig. Health insurance is too expensive for most in the US unless they have an employer to help them out, and ignoring insurance and just purchasing the healthcare you need is completely unaffordable. As I said yesterday, UK charges $193 to see a GP for 15 minutes if you don't have insurance? That's absurd.

Healthcare in the US is 1/5 of our economy. It's only 4-6% in other first world countries. Our system is badly broken.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 802399)

the coverage where i used to work for bc/bc for the employee was about $20 a week, certainly affordable for everyone who worked there. i know what the pay was for each position there.
and as i said above, the std was about 1 dollar a week. a dollar-people can't afford that? to get paid 2/3's their salary if they had to be off?
but, that money for tobacco is easily found i guess...one lady complained that they didn't have much-but her, her mom, and her hubby all used tobacco. pack/can a day for each. $15 a day. times 30 days. when i did the math, she looked at their habits a lot differently. it's all about priorities, and for many people, health coverage isn't a priority-til they need it. then it's a huge problem. and then it's pooor me. when in fact, those with a need already can be covered by medicaid. but it's the ones who don't want to pay who so often look for that help and sympathy. it's aggravating as hell. now, is everyone like that? obviously not. but when even smaller employers offer the stuff, and people turn it down-you gotta wonder what's in their head.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 802505)

great post

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 802525)

It is...But they need tobacco and alcohol because they are sad and because they do not have health care. It makes them feel better. Like all those people WITH jobs and families that "cling to guns and bibles" to feel better.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 802528)

I'm not sad but I certainly like consuming alcohol!!! :)

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 802518)

another question....if people wont buy group coverage with the employer paying a huge part, how will they suddenly afford obamacare???

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 802399)

the coverage where i used to work for bc/bc for the employee was about $20 a week, certainly affordable for everyone who worked there. i know what the pay was for each position there.
and as i said above, the std was about 1 dollar a week.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802564)

The insurance exchanges setups (private companies providing the insurance) are meant to provide direct, purely capitalistic competition between companies for one's business that will lower prices for all.

People with insurance offers through work will not be eligible for the exchanges, they have to purchase from work. The ACA is trying to insure those without insurance options, left adrift by our current healthcare insurance system. Not those who can get insurance.

Except these employees will not be forced to get the insurance available to them, because the Republicans demanded that all these small businesses be excluded.

It is repeatedly distressing to have people discussing the value of the ACA, and passing judgment upon it, when the factual provisions of the ACA are clearly not known to them. Those provisions are readily available, and have been since the law was passed, on the internet in easily-understandable bullet point websites geared to familiarizing people with the truth - not the GOP screaming August health care town hall ads and lies about government takeover of health care - of what the ACA actually contains.



Or you could do it the way the ACA is set up. The ACA is attempting to get the currrently uninsured, insured. By private insurance companies. Not "the government". It doesn't change anything for those with insurance (other than the existence of the exchanges should make an employers choice for purchasing health insurance for their employees less expensive with greater competitive options)

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 802588)

i dont care if obamacare is all wrapped up and with a bow, there are people who dont see or feel a need, and wont pay. and no doubt they dont have car or life ins either.