For a top US based turf horse (via Brazil anyway) - Leroydesanimueax - or however the fucl< you spell it - was underrated. He was a beast...albeit with Frankel's aid.

i agree on both, but nobiz, i think everyone finally woke up on that one.

Le roi...it mean the king.

I don't think it is fair to compare Nobiz to Artie. Artie had a much better and deeper career. He was a solid miler.

Fu Peg after the Derby?

Talk about hysteria for a horse who just won with a flawless trip, an unspectacular figure, and good ole Impeachment not all that far behind in 3rd at the wire.

And he wasn't even undefeated like a Smarty Jones, Barbaro, or Big Brown coming in. He had the mystique of an undefeated horse - without the actual undefeated record.

high fly

His Jerome was pretty impressive.

Denis of Cork was, for a very brief period, quite possibly the most overrated horse on the planet.

I'm sure there are about 703 recent Euros who might fit in this conversation.

And she would not be one of them....

Was the only one to make up significant ground in that 2008 Derby.

The majority of Euros fit it, but especially, ANY horse trained by Aidan O'Brien. NTamm is on standby ready to toss an encyclopedia of awful stats on his US runners.

I thought of mentioning Dylan Thomas, but my intent was to focus on horses based in the U.S.

Big day for Ramon Dominguez at Canada's AJAX Downs.

3 wins on the card for Ramon, so far he's won the 1st, 5th, and 7th.

http://www.ajaxdowns.com/raceresults.html

Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Except Vale of York. He was special.

Is that why the few who come kick our asses in all the turf and synthetic races almost everytime? And many times - a few of the best don't come.

Harbinger - the Candy Ride of European racing from last year I suppose - would have killed any true American based turf horse I've ever seen at 12 furlongs.

I try to throw you a Vale of York bone and this is what I get?

Well, yes, Conduit could also run a little. It's true.

What about when they ran 1-2-3-4 in the 2005 BCT? Or when B-teamers like Red Rocks win two of our most important turf races? Seems like Dylan Thomas is the exception rather than the rule.

The only area where I'd agree with you is the BC Juvy Turf races since they were created. Those Euros almost always get overbet and lose to some mediocre American horse.

Raven's Pass sure showed Tiago.

The ground was a complete bog that day - not that Dylan Thomas wasn't overrated - but he obviously didn't handle it - getting beat like two football fields and finishing behind a few slugs.

Or C-teamers like Dangerous Midge, who came back and was beaten a country mile.