I know.... He is facing much softer and Blame just beat him on the square. Who can compete this time? Does GOAT 1 jump up and win this race?

I can't believe Blame's odds either. I would be all over that at 6-1 compared to the other shorter prices.

Quality Road may be better suited for the dirt mile, but I'd take some of that as well if he went at that price.

I can't agree more. QR and the dirt mile would be a great fit. Where do you think the Candy's will run (Sidney and Twirling?)

I know he's been the lone speed before and faltered, but he's also been the lone speed and run a 120 or whatever it was. Just saying, if there's a horse that can freak in a race like the Classic in 2010, it's Quality Road.

I too will be be keying QR if wherever he goes in the BC. Just plain think he is the best horse out there despite the Woodward (went too slow early IMO).

You will probably get 6-1 on Blame on race day anyway, if Zenyatta comes into the race undefeated.

Invasor was 7-1 in 2006 despite winning the Pimlico Special, Suburban, and Whitney throughout the year.

LAL is the antithesis of Bernardini.

One got an insane amount of hype, the other gets little to no respect.

Invasor in this group would be 7/5.

LaL? Zenyatta will be the equivalent of Bernardini, not him. And let's be real, Bernardini would eat Lookin at Lucky's lunch.

Beaten fav at CD in the Classic?

.........yeah, looking at lucky could not beat zenyatta at any distance on any surface. blame at 6-1 would be sweet.

Maybe, but I was going for the unbeatable superhorse bandwagon. Like I said, if she were somehow equal odds as Lookin at Lucky, I'd be all over her in a head-to-head wager.

Got it. Guess it would depend the circumstances between those two. As the Classic looks right now, I would probably lean towards Lucky.

As would Invasor to Blame.

Strongly disagree. Blame is a very good horse.

Yeah, I get it. He beat the immortal QR.

We have no idea how it looks right now. We know of five or six horses pointing to the race. Predicting pace scenarios 2+ months out is futile IMO.

Thats not all he has done.

True, but what we know of the 5 or 6 horses makes a difference no? We have 2 real closers, one very fast horse (when ridden that way) a solid mid pack stalker who wins a lot more than he loses. And Richards Kid I guess. Just those few make a pretty fun hypothetical scenario. How else can we bet future odds?

I don't usually play futures, but if I do, it's based on ability, not pace, considering we're 2 months from the entry box, plenty of time for horses to fall out of and join the picture.

I am guilty of futures when at the Wynn. I would agree that ability would be the key in making those decisions. I have a tendency to over analyze "big" races too far in advance and wind up making bad bets from what usually winds up as good handicapping. The falling in and out it why they can be generous with the odds and why they are not great bets, which is why I make them in Vegas :zz: