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Riot 08-20-2010 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 685501)
people on the right could care less about MSNBC.
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Nonsense. They complain constantly and unendingly about the "liberal bias of the lamestream media".

The question is the news, and the veracity with which it is relayed. I'm not talking about opinion shows.

And show me where another news organization has donated to one political party.

Riot 08-20-2010 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 685348)
dumbest thread of the year award?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Well, you are posting alot on it.

Rupert Pupkin 08-20-2010 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 685532)
:rolleyes: really, those two in the same sentence? I'd love to hear how Rather, one of the best newsmen since Murrow, was 'biased'. Let me guess, because one time in 38 years he ran some story about a Republican from some guy who obtained the proof in some bad way or something. You're right, total proof of him being a leftist puppet. Put him in the stocks.



Way to address the example I gave.
They're all biased to some degree whether they are republicans or democrats. These people are not blank slates. The good ones do a pretty good job of not letting their bias affect their reporting, but the bias will always affect their reporting somewhat.

That incident with Dan Rather was hardly the first or only incident where his obvious bias stood out. There was the infamous interview he did with George Bush Senior back in approximately 1988 where Rather acted very unprofessionally.

Rupert Pupkin 08-20-2010 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685546)
How do you know "I have no problem"? What a silly thing to say. Well, no, it's not silly when you just want to pull crap and assumptions out of thin air.

I don't care how people identify themselves in their personal lives. I care about how they relate "news". You shouldn't be able to tell one's personal opinion about politics when you are reporting it as news.



Well, no, again, you are just blathering on about "my opinion" when in reality you have no clue about what I think about what you are bringing up.

And no, I don't care how many Republicans or Democrats Fox News employs. No, I don't think "it's a terrible thing".

You do realize that "news" is supposed to be objectively reported?
Hardly any of the reporters at any news outlets are totally objective. Some are obviously worse than others. The biggest bias is in the choice of stories they report. For example, in California there were some credible allegations about Gov Schwarzenegger sexually harassing some women. The LA Times reported the story and rightfully so. Yet when there were some credible allegations about Gov Davis physically assaulting a female staffer, the LA Times refused to do the story. The story ended up coming out in a much smaller paper because the bigger papers didn't want to do the story. The only reason they didn't want to do the story was because Davis was a democrat.

Riot 08-20-2010 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 685553)
Hardly any of the reporters at any news outlets are totally objective. Some are obviously worse than others. The biggest bias is in the choice of stories they report. .
Yes, my point exactly. Reporters and anchors don't usually have any choice in what they report, and how they write it, however, that is the producers who decide. And the producers report upstairs.

Have you ever seen the minutes particular stories get on Faux News, compared to any/all other TV/cable media outlets? Very telling, whether you are looking at Faux News or MSNBC.

For example, how much have you seen on Faux News about the final combat troop withdrawal over the past couple of days?

Rupert Pupkin 08-20-2010 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685554)
Yes, my point exactly. Reporters and anchors don't usually have any choice in what they report, and how they write it, however, that is the producers who decide. And the producers report upstairs.

Have you ever seen the minutes particular stories get on Faux News, compared to any/all other TV/cable media outlets? Very telling, whether you are looking at Faux News or MSNBC.

For example, how much have you seen on Faux News about the final combat troop withdrawal over the past couple of days?
I agree with you. But to me that's not any bigger knock on Fox than it is a knock on the other channels. I think that most of the other news channels are left of center and it shows in their reporting. I think Fox is right of center and it shows in their reporting.

Rupert Pupkin 08-20-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685554)
Yes, my point exactly. Reporters and anchors don't usually have any choice in what they report, and how they write it, however, that is the producers who decide. And the producers report upstairs.

Have you ever seen the minutes particular stories get on Faux News, compared to any/all other TV/cable media outlets? Very telling, whether you are looking at Faux News or MSNBC.

For example, how much have you seen on Faux News about the final combat troop withdrawal over the past couple of days?
I think you are going to far if you think that the anchors and reporters don't have a say in the stories they do. They may not have the ultimate authority but they certainly have a say.

Riot 08-20-2010 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 685561)
I agree with you. But to me that's not any bigger knock on Fox than it is a knock on the other channels. I think that most of the other news channels are left of center and it shows in their reporting. I think Fox is right of center and it shows in their reporting.
Do you think it is appropriate for the News Corp to donate to a political party? What would you say if The Associated Press donated to a political party?

I wouldn't care if it were Murdoch privately. Citizens can donate to whomever they want.

dellinger63 08-20-2010 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685548)
Dan Rather is no longer an anchor. !

LMAO w/o facts.....


go ahead and tell us why?

dellinger63 08-20-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685586)
Do you think it is appropriate for the News Corp to donate to a political party?
Yes if they had :$::$:

But like GM never to be subsidized we already have that god forbidden station PBS who has about 2 good shows and cancelled Monti Python?

[/quote]I wouldn't care if it were Murdoch privately. Citizens can donate to whomever they want.[/quote]

yea right! including that crazy Hsu or not?

Riot 08-20-2010 09:02 PM
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Posted by Riot
Dan Rather is no longer an anchor. !
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Posted by Dellinger
LMAO w/o facts.....
go ahead and tell us why?
:zz: Why what?

Is Dan Rather still a news anchor somewhere?

dellinger63 08-20-2010 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685613)
:zz: Why what?

Is Dan Rather still a news anchor somewhere?
I should have asked why did he retire?

Rupert Pupkin 08-20-2010 10:42 PM
Here is that infamous Dan Rather/George Bush Senior interview from 1988. Rather ambushes Bush much like Jim Gray did to Pete Rose in their infamous interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy45grGpB6o

Dan Rather can dish it out but he can't take it. Watch this 26 second clip where a guy tries to interview Rather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQLMu...eature=related

timmgirvan 08-20-2010 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685586)
Do you think it is appropriate for the News Corp to donate to a political party? What would you say if The Associated Press donated to a political party?

I wouldn't care if it were Murdoch privately. Citizens can donate to whomever they want.
it is his business.....just because Soros hides his moves!

Rupert Pupkin 08-21-2010 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685586)
Do you think it is appropriate for the News Corp to donate to a political party? What would you say if The Associated Press donated to a political party?

I wouldn't care if it were Murdoch privately. Citizens can donate to whomever they want.
I don't know if it truly makes a difference whether a guy donates from his personal funds or his company. It probably doesn't look very good if a news company donates to a political party. I believe Ted Turner used to make large political donations but I don't think he did it through his company (which owned CNN).

Danzig 08-21-2010 09:38 AM
i'm with rupe, i'm not quite sure that since rupert gave the money, you can say his company gave the money. and yeah, ted turner has been vocal in the past on issues.
is fox fair and balanced? of course not. are they they only news outlet that is biased? of course not. but, like so many things, people think those with their viewpoint are right, and those with an opposing view are 'them'.
i don't watch any of the news, preferring to read it so as to glean the facts without seeing/hearing body language, catching side comments, etc. i also read a variety from wsg, to the wash post, ny times, ap, etc.
i saw sean hannity and bill o'reilly mentioned above-they aren't newsmen, are they?

Danzig 08-21-2010 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 685554)
Yes, my point exactly. Reporters and anchors don't usually have any choice in what they report, and how they write it, however, that is the producers who decide. And the producers report upstairs.

Have you ever seen the minutes particular stories get on Faux News, compared to any/all other TV/cable media outlets? Very telling, whether you are looking at Faux News or MSNBC.

For example, how much have you seen on Faux News about the final combat troop withdrawal over the past couple of days?

so...you watch fox news but can't stand what they say...so why watch? that's odd imo.

Riot 08-21-2010 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 685712)
i'm with rupe, i'm not quite sure that since rupert gave the money, you can say his company gave the money.
You've got it backwards. Rupert didn't give the money. News Corp gave the money.

Riot 08-21-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 685713)
so...you watch fox news but can't stand what they say...so why watch? that's odd imo.
??? Where did I say I watched Faux News?

I was flipping through the other day and saw Shep waving the potato chip bag :D
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is fox fair and balanced? of course not. are they they only news outlet that is biased? of course not. but, like so many things, people think those with their viewpoint are right, and those with an opposing view are 'them'.
?? Nobody is really talking any viewpoints (opinions). Trying to talk the news. When you look at complaints and moderation from various watchdog groups, Faux News leads the list for lying.

Riot 08-21-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 685667)
I don't know if it truly makes a difference whether a guy donates from his personal funds or his company..
Are you aware of what is happening to Target and Best Buy right now? The corporation donated to support a blatently anti-gay candidate. The consumer and shareholder (read: bosses, owners of the companies) backlash is solid, strong, and increasing daily.


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