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Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662940)
Yes thank you for drinking the koolaid, I'm not even going to ask considering the source. :rolleyes:

you must be putting on an act. you are starting to make Booth Operator likable.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662943)
you must be putting on an act. you are starting to make Booth Operator likable.

Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

Dude Summer Bird was THRIVING AT THE TIME....Career top form, no injurys and loving the distance and SLOP.... I wanted Summer Bird to be healthy so bad this year, I actually prayed for it, because I am so sure QR is tons better then him and will now never get the chance to prove it.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662947)
Dude Summer Bird was THRIVING AT THE TIME....Career top form, no injurys and loving the distance and SLOP.... I wanted Summer Bird to be healthy so bad this year, I actually prayed for it, because I am so sure QR is tons better then him and will now never get the chance to prove it.

Supposing both horses came back this year, I think Summer Bird would have done well as an older horse. I'm not sure if you are saying he just peaked for those 3 N.Y races are not, but it is in my strong opinion it was not a fluke, he would have been even better this year. Quality Road did run a good race in the JCGC, but he was up on a slow pace and really had no excuse in my opinion, if he was good enough he would have won. You stated earlier can he get 1 1/4, yes he can depending on the competition, but really is it his most ideal distance? I think we would both agree it isn't. What I think is the more prudent point of the discussion. Maybe you are right, maybe I missed it, but from what I have seen of him, 1 1/4 is stretching it for him. But it all depends on the competition, if and when he faces true classic distance runners.

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

its miss antitrust to you & you are not trash.

Your opinion is your opinion, but the constant rachel, quality road, anyone not named Zenyatta bashing is extremely old and tiring.

at least Booth is well, Booth.

knickslions2 06-29-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662921)
Dude I love BIG Z, but QR would destroy her on dirt... Stop with this fight, its getting old.

Maybe at a mile but not any longer

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 662957)
Maybe at a mile but not any longer

I think he is 5 lenghts clear of her at 9f.

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:18 PM

has QR ever run at 1 1/4 on a track labled "fast"?

And why is 1 1/4 the be all and end all?

knickslions2 06-29-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662959)
I think he is 5 lenghts clear of her at 9f.

Hopefully we can see this come November.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662946)
Okay Mr. Antitrust, I was wrong Summer Bird was life and death to beat Quality Road in the Travers and Jockey Gold Cup last year, he is a monster at 1 1/4. Does this make me less trash in your eyes right now?

I think your opinion is trash, If I called you trash Im sorry.... I think your opinion is based on nothing, for some reasson your ignoring the wet tracks, the layoffs, the injury and everything QR has done since? If SB was healthy for the Donn, he is likely defeated by about 10 lenghts.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662956)
its miss antitrust to you & you are not trash.

Your opinion is your opinion, but the constant rachel, quality road, anyone not named Zenyatta bashing is extremely old and tiring.

at least Booth is well, Booth.

I have strong opinions on some things, I know this. But atleast they are honest as I see fit. I don't understand the love QR gets sometimes and maybe I try to balance things out by perhaps going abit overboard at times. Thanks for the reply Miss. Antitrust. :)

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 662960)
has QR ever run at 1 1/4 on a track labled "fast"?

And why is 1 1/4 the be all and end all?

Because the Z Nation has deemed 10fs the ultimate test and the BC Classic the greatest race evar. That allows them to propagate the notion that she's the greatest horse to look through a bridle. There's no limit, even Goldikova's greatness was questioned because she didn't run in the BCC!

I am still laughing that two dopes are bashing a horse and his schedule when they fly the flag of a horse whose connections are passing on a 750k race being run a 1/4 mile from her stall at her favorite distance where the favorite is a one-time Grade I winner. They should also be applauded for keeping a perfectly healthy horse in her stall for seven weeks.

NT

Antitrust32 06-29-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662964)
I have strong opinions on some things, I know this. But atleast they are honest as I see fit. I don't understand the love QR gets sometimes and maybe I try to balance things out by perhaps going abit overboard at time. Thanks for the reply Miss. Antitrust. :)

People love Rachel, Zenyatta, and Quality Road because they are all brilliant horses in a time period where we are used to crap.

At least there is Something to get excited about!

CSC 06-29-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662962)
I think your opinion is trash, If I called you trash Im sorry.... I think your opinion is based on nothing, for some reasson your ignoring the wet tracks, the layoffs, the injury and everything QR has done since? If SB was healthy for the Donn, he is likely defeated by about 10 lenghts.

Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662969)
Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

I love Z, I think she is a lot better then Rachel this year and would have won every single race Rachel won last year, but I think QR is a different breed, a different type of monster.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662969)
Fair enough, no one is 100% right and this is horseracing so opinions are going to vary. Still I don't know why even giving 2 examples, granted they are from 09 that my opinion is trash. This reminds me of Dollar Bill in a way, despite the evidence people would still go to bat for him as a gr.1 animal. I guess we will see BC day who is right.

You just compared Quality Road to Dollar Bill. Let's not get hysterical or anything. It would be so unbecoming of a Zenyatta fan.

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662973)
You just compared Quality Road to Dollar Bill. Let's not get hysterical or anything. It would be so unbecoming of a Zenyatta fan.

NT

No I compared the circumstances, but incase someone thought I did, thank you for allowing me to clear that up.

Smooth Operator 06-29-2010 01:28 PM

LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662975)
LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

The admitted Ghostzapper fan is making comments about a horse staying healthy now...

NT

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 662975)
LOL … The Rock is killin' me.

QR will have to face Z at CD in Nov … if he can hold it together that long…

Please not you... Who has Z faced that is even in the same world as QR? That has the same speed, class, and power? The way he rates is just so beautiful... What makes you think he comes back to her late? Why is Big Z not coming for the Whitney? Everyone else seems to be coming, I dont see anyone else ducking QR.


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