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King Glorious 08-25-2006 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
King ... after this year ...

... you may have to revise your Top Five ... or cut it off as of 2005.
Between Discreet Cat and Bernardini, I wouldn't be surprised if u are right. They look as good as a horse can look so far.

Betsy 08-25-2006 02:05 PM
This makes me even more excited about tomorrow - DC did his thing and I know Bernardini will do his thing tomorrow. I guess the Sheikh's have no choice but to run their colts against each other, no matter how hard they try to avoid it.

Damascus '67 08-25-2006 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
Discreet Cat's eight great-great grandfathers ...

... Northern Dancer ... Secretariat ... His Majesty ... Dr. Fager ... Sword Dancer ... Buckpasser ... In Reality ... Tom Rolfe.

Says "two-turns" to me.
Everyone of those guys certainly do..

Betsy 08-25-2006 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
If it's true what the trainer said about him being a couple of works short of ready for his best, this is scary. This is the best horse currently running in America. It wasn't who he beat, which wasn't much, but it was how he did it. I've seen riders ask for more in workouts. He was standing up, looking under his legs and over his shoulders to see what was back there. Under a long reign, he was still drawing off and running fast. That was ridiculous. Looks like the track might be a little on the quick side but still, 1:21.53 is fast. Final 8th was in 12.15. These numbers don't mean much if u didn't see how easy it was. Baedecker (sp) is on TVG now mentioning the names Secretariat and Seattle Slew. This is crazy.

Best horse is running tomorrow - it will be fun to see. However, Secretariat and Slew? They need to calm down - neither colt is anywhere close to that yet.

King Glorious 08-25-2006 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Betsy
Best horse is running tomorrow - it will be fun to see. However, Secretariat and Slew? They need to calm down - neither colt is anywhere close to that yet.
How do u know they aren't close to that yet? They could be better already. They just don't have the same accomplishments obviously but who's to say they don't have more talent? I will grant u that it's unlikely they are as good as Secretariat or Slew but not impossible. I'm sure after Secretariat and Slew's first races, if anyone had said they were in the class of Man O' War or Citation, people would have said it's too early to say that but look how it ended up. Great horses are great horses from the start. If, at the end of his career, Discreet Cat shows he deserves to be mentioned with the all-time greats, then the talent is there now.

Bold Brooklynite 08-25-2006 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm sure after Secretariat and Slew's first races, if anyone had said they were in the class of Man O' War or Citation, people would have said it's too early to say that but look how it ended up.
King ...

Go to the "Charles Hatton Reading Room" and read my anecdote about him ... you'll be amazed.

And Seattle Slew ... like Ruffian ... was considered to be a wonder horse ... or potentially one ... right after his first start.

And ... of course ... I spotted Bernardini's abundant talent while watching him break his maiden. You surely remember that from the "other" forum.

Cunningham Racing 08-25-2006 02:27 PM
Looks like no Breeders' Cup this year...they know Bernardini has that in the bag...here are post race quotes from the assistant trainer:


"I doubt you’ll see him in the Breeders’ Cup [Saturday, November 4, Churchill Downs] this year; first things first. We’ll go in the Jerome and see how he comes out. He won easier than I thought he would. It’s a weight off our shoulders to get him back. ”


I would bet almost anything that he runs in the Clark (G1) in late November at CD if he exites the Jerome in good order....we'll see i guess...

LARHAGE 08-25-2006 02:30 PM
Oh man! If only those two horses were facing off tomorrow in the Travers, that would be the race of the year, man how good are Bernardini and Discreet Cat, the great thing about the Sheiks owning them instead of those greedy Coolmore guys, is they actually LOVE to race their horses, it could be a great rivalry next year as well!!!!! :eek:

King Glorious 08-25-2006 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
King ...

Go to the "Charles Hatton Reading Room" and read my anecdote about him ... you'll be amazed.

And Seattle Slew ... like Ruffian ... was considered to be a wonder horse ... or potentially one ... right after his first start.

And ... of course ... I spotted Bernardini's abundant talent while watching him break his maiden. You surely remember that from the "other" forum.
Yes, I remember that. And I have read that some people thought wonderous things about Sec after his first start. But they were still in the minority. I mean the majority of people would have said it was too early to compare him to the all-time greats. I don't think it's crazy after one or two starts, even less so after four or five, to say u think a horse has all-time talents. Either it's there or it's not. It doesn't take 20 starts to develop it.

jpops757 08-25-2006 03:10 PM
If you are trying to find something to knock this horse, there is only one posibility and that is durability with his light schedule. This cud be a good thing tho. They didnt ruin him prepping for the TC.

Bold Brooklynite 08-25-2006 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Oh man! If only those two horses were facing off tomorrow in the Travers, that would be the race of the year, man how good are Bernardini and Discreet Cat, the great thing about the Sheiks owning them instead of those greedy Coolmore guys, is they actually LOVE to race their horses, it could be a great rivalry next year as well!!!!! :eek:
But ... the last great horse they had ... Lammtarra ...

... raced only three times as a 3YO ... then was retired.

I don't see the sheiks being such great "sportsmen."

Nostradamus 08-25-2006 03:19 PM
I would take Bernardini over him right now but with another race or two in him I could see him winning the BC Classic. I really doubt he could get there though off just the Jerome. I get the feeling they are pointing him toward the race in Dubai.

Bold Brooklynite 08-25-2006 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
I would take Bernardini over him right now but with another race or two in him I could see him winning the BC Classic. I really doubt he could get there though off just the Jerome. I get the feeling they are pointing him toward the race in Dubai.
It seems kind of nutty for them to be pointing to Dubai ... since they're the ones who put up the purse money there.

How smart is it to race for the same money that you stole?

Hey ... but they stole it fair and square .. so I guess they can do whatever they want with it.

Betsy 08-25-2006 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Oh man! If only those two horses were facing off tomorrow in the Travers, that would be the race of the year, man how good are Bernardini and Discreet Cat, the great thing about the Sheiks owning them instead of those greedy Coolmore guys, is they actually LOVE to race their horses, it could be a great rivalry next year as well!!!!! :eek:
I hope the Sheikh runs Bernardini next year and doesn't ship him off to stud before we really know his true potential. I thought for sure a month or so ago that it would be a sure thing, but now I'm getting nervous that the Sheikh Mohammed may count on DC next year so that he can make Bernardini the top man at Darley/Jonabell.

Pedigree Ann 08-25-2006 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rgustafson
He already has...against Invasor, unless you don't think he is quality opposition.
No way. Dubai Derby is a 9f around one turn.

Danzig 08-25-2006 07:09 PM
the uae derby is 10f

rgustafson 08-25-2006 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
the uae derby is 10f
Ann's right, they shortened it up this year.

Danzig 08-25-2006 07:53 PM
yeah, i posted my 'eureka' in another thread...missed the change...and found my error.


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