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blackthroatedwind 04-20-2010 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tector (Post 637567)
I am pretty sure this thread has more expressed interest in trying to keep 85ina50 out of the Derby than the genuine interest in such for all of the connections of the other 20 horses combined.

What is one more no-chance speedball in this field, except another good candidate for the "finish last" prop bet?

The horse some people may have worried about is Setsuko, but he ain't making it, not in the current insane atmosphere.
You would be incorrect.

NTamm1215 04-20-2010 12:05 PM
That psychopath at a track with 150k people screaming and yelling in a 20 horse field where you run in front of the grandstand for the opening quarter is enough to make a trainer with the coolest nerves a tad uneasy.

NT

randallscott35 04-20-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637570)
That psychopath at a track with 150k people screaming and yelling in a 20 horse field where you run in front of the grandstand for the opening quarter is enough to make a trainer with the coolest nerves a tad uneasy.

NT
You are all assuming 85/50 is winning on Saturday. I think thats a longshot.

blackthroatedwind 04-20-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637571)
You are all assuming 85/50 is winning on Saturday. I think thats a longshot.
Nobody is assuming that whatsoever. In fact, the opposite was made clear.

blackthroatedwind 04-20-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637571)
You are all assuming 85/50 is winning on Saturday. I think thats a longshot.
But, we do know that the favorite winning is not a " longshot " whether we like the horse or not.

tector 04-20-2010 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 637570)
That psychopath at a track with 150k people screaming and yelling in a 20 horse field where you run in front of the grandstand for the opening quarter is enough to make a trainer with the coolest nerves a tad uneasy.

NT
OK, YOU may be on to something. But the collective fear of this horse stealing the Derby is somewhere around 0.0.

randallscott35 04-20-2010 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 637573)
But, we do know that the favorite winning is not a " longshot " whether we like the horse or not.
I don't think this horse wants a mile. Therefore I wouldn't worry about him even making the field at this point. I think todd thinks this filly has a shot which is why she is being considered, not to cock block someone else.

slotdirt 04-20-2010 12:11 PM
Devil May Care entering would keep Homeboykris out of the race, so there's at least that.

randallscott35 04-20-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 637577)
Devil May Care entering would keep Homeboykris out of the race, so there's at least that.
Now that would be funny.

tector 04-20-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637568)
A shame setsuko won 't get in as I thought he was live.
On what looks like the projected pace scenario, hell yes.

slotdirt 04-20-2010 12:13 PM
Eh, if you were thinking of betting Setsuko, spend your money on Ice Box. Same idea.

tector 04-20-2010 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637578)
Now that would be funny.
If he was the horse kept out by the move, then I'd be fine with it "karmically" or whatever--although it is most certainly not the best move for this filly.

People have lost their minds this year.

tector 04-20-2010 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 637580)
Eh, if you were thinking of betting Setsuko, spend your money on Ice Box. Same idea.
You get better prices on both if they are both in the race. And I prefer one over the other.

randallscott35 04-20-2010 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tector (Post 637582)
You get better prices on both if they are both in the race. And I prefer one over the other.
Low to mid 20's likely on Ice Box

blackthroatedwind 04-20-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tector (Post 637575)
OK, YOU may be on to something. But the collective fear of this horse stealing the Derby is somewhere around 0.0.
I can only infer this to mean that YOU seem to think I consider Eightyfiveinafifty a threat in the KY Derby.

You be also be incorrect about that.

jms62 04-20-2010 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 637584)
I can only infer this to mean that YOU seem to think I consider Eightyfiveinafifty a threat in the KY Derby.

You be also be incorrect about that.
A threat to jump into the stands maybe and really get the derby into the headlines.

asudevil 04-20-2010 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 637583)
Low to mid 20's likely on Ice Box
10-15...IMO

slotdirt 04-20-2010 12:45 PM
If Ice Box is 10-1, based on previous Derbies, he'll be like fourth or fifth favorite. I just can't see it. I think 20-1 sounds more realistic.

randallscott35 04-20-2010 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 637587)
10-15...IMO
Offshore available around 25-1 or higher.

Merlinsky 04-20-2010 06:10 PM
If John Velazquez's on Eskendereya, who would get the mount? I'm trying to think of who else Pletcher uses that isn't already on a horse.


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