Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sky Mesa was doing HORRIBLE with his first crop of 2yo's in Feb of their 3yo season.

It was at the time of the Fasig Tipton Calder 2yo sale ... and the craziest thing happened. The under-tack show was like a freaking showcase of Sky Mesa's like nothing you've ever seen before.

I had something like 5 different Sky Mesa offspring in the top 20 most impressive breezes. I was telling people that if you had to approach the sale as a buyer ... without a doubt the best thing to do would be to find out who the lowest regarded Sky Mesa offspring was of those 5 on looks - and buy him.

They might pay up for the best looking Sky Mesa of the five - they might even pay up for the 2nd best looking Sky Mesa - but they ain't paying up for the one who's 5th of 5 on looks and pedigree because he was doing so dismally at stud.

As it turned out ... the 5th cheapest of that sensational band of Sky Mesa offspring was none other than Ky Derby pace setter Join in the Dance.

He RNA'd for just 90K despite showing super raw speed in his preview.

I believe Grade 1 winner Sky Diva was 4th at 250K. I know that Mesa Sunrise sold for 800K ... he was the most expensive of the Sky Mesa's at that sale. His biggest achievement is nothing more than winning a Saratoga alw race in 1:15 flat for 6.5fs. One of the ones that sold for like 300K went to Japan and I believe is a stakes winner over there.

Originally Posted by Danzig

note to self:

when someone wants to know if they're wrong, don't answer!

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Mesa Sunrise is fast, but hes got no heart.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Um, no. I asked a question and Cannon Shell replied in a unnecessarily sarcastic manner. I don't care, but why would anyone want to ask a question on a message board if they are going to get their head bitten off?

I take it you think Sky Mesa is a good sire. Let me ask you - how many of those horses on that list he provided are really top class horses? Very few, if any.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chances are ... if she posts it .. it's probably wrong.

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

seriously, i was only poking fun at you and cannon...i think it's too soon to know what he'll turn out to be, considering. hell, not long ago people thought mineshaft was a bust-and now he's got several hot horses.

Originally Posted by Betsy

That's not what I said at all, but if you want to think that was my point, go right ahead.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Just what is your problem? I asked a perfectly reasonable question and was polite in doing so; I don't need a medal for that, but I sure as heck don't deserve the kind of response you gave me. Yeah, that sure is a list of great horses. Most of them are mediocre and if they were in graded stakes races, you wouldn't give them any sort of shot. Formidable? Is he high on your list of top sprinters this year? Seriously, take any stallion and he's going to have horses that placed in stakes. Most of this board thinks Friesan Fire is a joke - at best a grade 3 horse, and even at that, only at the Fair Grounds. What does that make GQ? Are you going to tell me he's a top class horse? Skylighter won a weak grade 2 and Storm Mesa couldn't beat grade 1 fillies every time she ran in a grade 1 race. Join in the Dance hasn't won in a dogs age; what's so special about him? You make it sound like this list is full of top horses - it's not.

Originally Posted by Betsy

I think he must own a stableful of Sky Mesas because he took my question way too personally. Sky Mesa has not sired a lot of top class horses. If you want a sprinter, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a classic horse, are you breeding to him? No. If you want a grass horse, are you breeding to him? No. He's ok, but the whole point is that on TBC, they made him out to be some great success story. Tapit is already a much better sire than Sky Mesa.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is easy on horseracing boards to say that they suck or arent much but they have outperformed 95% of their peers on the track.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Um, no. I asked a question and Cannon Shell replied in a unnecessarily sarcastic manner. I don't care, but why would anyone want to ask a question on a message board if they are going to get their head bitten off?

I take it you think Sky Mesa is a good sire. Let me ask you - how many of those horses on that list he provided are really top class horses? Very few, if any.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Translation ....

They suck a lot less than others.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

On horseracing boards there are only like 8 horses in training that arent "suck worthy"

Originally Posted by Betsy

I think if Cannon hadn't responded like he did, I would have been more open to what he was saying. I never said Sky Mesa sucked - I just said I didn't think he was all that great. He also completely missed my point about Sky Diva - and then made it sound like I was ignorant.

I will say that maybe I'm holding the expectations I had for him against him. Just because he's not a leading sire doesn't mean he's not had success. If I look at it from the perspective that most sires don't even have the succeess he's had, then yes - he's been a fine sire. Are his oldest horses 5 ? I think so.... I suppose his best foals should be upcoming as they are the offspring of mares that were bred to him after his super 2nd year

Mineshaft is a weird story. His oldest foals are only 5, but he really has been mediocre. I hope that this year indicates a turn around for him because AP Indy isn't going to last forever; with his fertility problems, he may be pensioned sooner than we think. As far as I'm concerned, the more sires to carry on the Seattle Slew line, the better. I'm interested to see if they'll let Discreetly Mine rate in the LA Derby. I suspect not because Castellano made a point to say he's a speedy horse.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I can only think of 7.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You did this all by yourself.


???

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well if someone loses today that shouldnt you will be right on the mark

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's now five unanswered posts from you where you've quoted her. Why don't you just ask her for a clam shot or something? .. you're probably just as likely to get that much from her as you are a fruitful debate.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How many QB's are there that fans think don't suck?

I'm sure Jamarcus Russell outperformed 95% of his peers to play the position.