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Kasept 01-15-2010 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
I thought the Malibu spot was ridiculous. Although my friends thought I was an idiot for suggesting it was a horrible spot. The horse has not stopped and Stute drilled him what like 5 days after the Malibu. When did the horse win last Purim? I thought getting him an allowance race around two turns against softer made a bunch more sense.Instead Stute races him in the Malibu? Why the Malibu, was winning a 7f race at 3 such a big deal? I would have thought getting him a win in the San Antonio and then maybe the better G1's as a handicap horse made more sense. Now he is back off a hurried "sort of layoff" and a big effort in the Malibu.. I think he is complete toast. My opinion is very unpopular among much smarter then I.. But I still think he is doomed..

Stute drilled him days after the Malibu? You think Stute found the Sheppard piece entertaining?
I'm confidant that owner-breeder Bo Hirsch would disagree with you. The Malibu is the last Gr. I of the year for three year olds, so he was able to end the season as "Gr. II winner, Gr. I placed at 3". They're trying to build a resume. And I'd say that an old school-style trainer like Stute is quite happy to go from 7f to 8.5f second off the layoff. This is the "Strub Series" after all... It has a rather time-tested aspect to it.

freddymo 01-15-2010 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
I'm confidant that owner-breeder Bo Hirsch would disagree with you. The Malibu is the last Gr. I of the year for three year olds, so he was able to end the season as "Gr. II winner, Gr. I placed at 3". They're trying to build a resume. And I'd say that an old school-style trainer like Stute is quite happy to go from 7f to 8.5f second off the layoff. This is the "Strub Series" after all... It has a rather time-tested aspect to it.
I really don't get the last time to get a G1 on him against 3 year olds. Is anyone going to think of Papa Clem as a great 3 year old. Moreover his best chance to get a book full is to be an excellent 4 year old and potentially be arounf for a BC race. Will see I realize my opinion is deemed moronic by many.

asudevil 01-15-2010 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
I thought the Malibu spot was ridiculous. Although my friends thought I was an idiot for suggesting it was a horrible spot. The horse has not stopped and Stute drilled him what like 5 days after the Malibu. When did the horse win last Purim? I thought getting him an allowance race around two turns against softer made a bunch more sense.Instead Stute races him in the Malibu? Why the Malibu, was winning a 7f race at 3 such a big deal? I would have thought getting him a win in the San Antonio and then maybe the better G1's as a handicap horse made more sense. Now he is back off a hurried "sort of layoff" and a big effort in the Malibu.. I think he is complete toast. My opinion is very unpopular among much smarter then I.. But I still think he is doomed..

Stute drilled him days after the Malibu? You think Stute found the Sheppard piece entertaining?

90 day break on a horse that shipped the globe and ran hard all of 09...How many of those 90 days did the horse really have to let down especially around his connections. I doubt the horse had 3 real weeks of R&R
Everyone here understands that reference. We all dressed in costume as Haman, Mordecai, and Esther.....

NTamm1215 01-15-2010 10:17 AM
I wasn't particularly taken with Papa Clem's Malibu and see him as likely to be horribly overbet in this race.

NT

RockHardTen1985 01-15-2010 11:12 AM
I like Rosario.

NTamm1215 01-15-2010 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I like Rosario.
So does Vic.

NT

RockHardTen1985 01-15-2010 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
So does Vic.

NT
Im warming up to Vic.

miraja2 01-15-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Papa Clem stretching back to two turns here after the good comebacker in the Malibu looks terrific to me. Using Mythical Power with him.
Yeah, you have to think the price might be right coming off that tenth place finish in a race at a distance that didn't suit him, and where he was extremely wide. Even by Baffert's usual standards he has been going extremely fast in the mornings since that race. I like his chances too.

my miss storm cat 01-16-2010 12:39 AM
I think Gallant Son wins the San Fernando. (As an aside I'm not seeing anyone beating Conveyance. No point in playing, just a fun race to watch).

Race 6, however, is interesting... :$:

Sightseek 01-16-2010 04:42 PM
Good for Chantal!

eajinabi 01-16-2010 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckpasser
Thoroughbred Legends has sold Conveyance to Sheikh Rashid al-Maktoum's Zabeel Racing. Will stay with Baffert in California.
You mean the country of Abu Dhabi owns Conveyance

freddymo 01-16-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Good for Chantal!
Mike Smith is a lucky man to befriend such a rider

letswastemoney 01-16-2010 06:03 PM
Well Baffert admitted himself that Mythical Power is better on dirt....maybe today proved that theory.

alysheba4 01-17-2010 06:43 AM
maybe, or maybe he wasnt quite good enough.

Indian Charlie 01-17-2010 01:17 PM
Soooo, let me get this straight.

Conveyance gets a 90 BSF for going 136.45.
Papa Clem gets a 96 BSF for going 142.64, while getting the mile in 136.64??

And people say musicals are gay?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-17-2010 07:32 PM
Since when is 1:36.45 at a mile as fast as 1:42.64 at 8.5f?

philcski 01-17-2010 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Soooo, let me get this straight.

Conveyance gets a 90 BSF for going 136.45.
Papa Clem gets a 96 BSF for going 142.64, while getting the mile in 136.64??

And people say musicals are gay?
Papa Clem should have been 3 points higher than Conveyance, not 6. But yes, 1:42.64 is faster than 1:36.45.

Indian Charlie 01-17-2010 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Papa Clem should have been 3 points higher than Conveyance, not 6. But yes, 1:42.64 is faster than 1:36.45.
It's slightly faster.

And according to something I read somewhere else, the track got faster later in the day. Who knows about that.


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